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Lawdog on Separation of Church and State by DesertRat66 2009-08-26 07:37:13
I'd like to think that those Certain People who would have absolutely lost their minds in an Internet apoplectic fit had prior Presidents attempted to do this thing, would have the same reaction now that our current President has done it.

I'd like to think that, I really would -- but I won't be holding my breath.(link)
[ Reply ]
  At some point... by kelli2172009-08-26 08:18:11
    Don't worry; you will by bitflipper2009-08-26 08:23:29
    Invoking a divine being is not the same as by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 08:26:45
    Except that by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 08:33:31
    Wish Granted: Beck Boycot Backed By White House? by DesertRat662009-08-26 08:39:27
    THE DOCTERINE OF RELATIVE FILTH by SnArL2009-08-26 08:46:04
      Nobody SHOULD be doing it. by kelli2172009-08-26 09:16:50
        "Dirty tricks" are no better by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 09:18:46
        OK, lets get factual then, Please by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 09:19:12
        [CITATION NEEDED] by SnArL2009-08-26 09:20:55
          Oh, how short the memory. by kelli2172009-08-26 11:10:20
            How does Snarl saying something equate to by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 11:12:44
              Snarl didn't say what he thought was conjecture. by kelli2172009-08-26 11:24:58
                Your "picked something", to me at least, by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 11:27:48
                  What am I supposed to be advancing? by kelli2172009-08-26 11:45:30
                    Just because one player is ignoring the rules by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 11:54:32
                      Maybe a man reference will clarify. by kelli2172009-08-26 12:05:42
                        No, I don't think I would reach that point. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:11:59
                    My point is that if you want to debate and discuss by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 11:57:11
                      I don't want to debate and discuss. by kelli2172009-08-26 12:12:07
                        What good would that do? by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:13:14
                          One word... by DesertRat662009-08-26 12:20:57
                            And yet when somebody brings up the death penalty by SnArL2009-08-26 12:22:48
                              Exactly. by kelli2172009-08-26 12:31:27
                                Who is "the right"? by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:35:11
                                Them. by kelli2172009-08-26 12:46:54
                                "Them" isn't very definitive. (n/t) by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:51:47
                                Of course not. by SnArL2009-08-26 12:55:16
                                See, I knew you'd get it. by kelli2172009-08-26 13:10:31
                                You're correct in that. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 13:14:56
                                Let me make sure I understand this, k? by SnArL2009-08-26 13:42:27
                                I agree on the logic but, your snark volume lately by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 13:46:03
                                So I'm now responsible for how others react? by SnArL2009-08-26 14:11:15
                                No, but you are responsible for how you react by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 14:29:29
                                And when the other side consistently fails to make by SnArL2009-08-26 14:46:38
                                Just a small observation by DesertRat662009-08-26 14:54:29
                                Very wise man in that your Pappy (n/t) by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 15:02:16
                                I would like to draw your attention to something. by kelli2172009-08-26 14:54:36
                                Then call them on it and don't pretty much by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 14:59:36
                                So let me make sure I am understanding by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 13:37:53
                                More or less. by kelli2172009-08-26 14:01:56
                                Stated that way you are making much more sense by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 14:20:09
                                I'm tired of... by kelli2172009-08-26 14:37:11
                                Honestly, if you had said it that way by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 14:45:30
                                And a lot of people wouldn't have gotten it. by kelli2172009-08-26 14:51:18
                                I *strongly* disagree. I think you hurt your by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 15:01:18
                                Actually, you're agreeing with me. by kelli2172009-08-26 15:09:26
                                No, I think that if that was your end goal by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 15:18:16
                                It was not to cause a fight. by kelli2172009-08-26 15:33:10
                                I think there are probably by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 16:30:10
                                True, but with the object lesson by Nightwind2009-08-26 19:21:45
                                I think most people already knew it. (n/t) by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 19:43:17
                                Good. by kelli2172009-08-26 13:05:08
                                There have been, as I believe I remember, by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 13:13:21
                                Not improper at all. by kelli2172009-08-26 13:43:09
                                O, I C WUT U DID THAR by SnArL2009-08-26 14:09:37
                                Single-Largest Ideological Group Is: by DesertRat662009-08-26 13:13:55
                                Self-identified, label-based. by kelli2172009-08-26 13:40:28
                                Whatever helps you sleep at night by DesertRat662009-08-26 13:48:31
                                Application denied by DesertRat662009-08-26 12:36:24
                                You're right, I have no reputation for being... by kelli2172009-08-26 12:46:19
                                <Deleted><Deleted>2009-08-26 12:50:57
                                Modded, double post. (n/t) by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:51:09
                            I never quite got the idea of revenge. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:23:02
                              It's like an unstable explosive by DesertRat662009-08-26 12:39:16
                        Is this something that you are looking for? by SaylorA2009-08-26 12:29:35
                          Yep! Good! by kelli2172009-08-26 12:40:30
            Wow. I have to applaud your debate skills by SnArL2009-08-26 12:11:20
              I'm done being nice. by kelli2172009-08-26 12:24:03
                Really, now by SnArL2009-08-26 12:41:44
                  Yes, that's what the discussion is about. by kelli2172009-08-26 12:54:57
                    Apparently, a number of people still by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:57:30
                      Do they always care, or only when it suits them? (n/t) by kelli2172009-08-26 13:07:24
                        I can only speak definitively for myself by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 13:15:54
                          Agreed, to me, if any and I do mean **any** by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 13:42:53
                            Personally by DesertRat662009-08-26 13:45:03
                              I am pretty close to that depending on the by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 14:34:49
                    And when requested to, you were unable or by SnArL2009-08-26 13:13:44
                      Wow. I've been misbehaving today, but... by kelli2172009-08-26 13:35:06
                      Snarl, as a friend, take a time out, please (n/t) by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 13:48:20
                      As Classic Jon said, take a break. by Nea2009-08-26 14:02:22
      hmmm perhaps we should have a fund raiser by aprylmae2009-08-26 09:31:25
        Meh, I'm still trying to turn of Snark Lock. (n/t) by chanceslost2009-08-26 09:35:58
        SORRY! I WENT TO A CONCERT LAST NIGHT by SnArL2009-08-26 09:49:02
          Forgot your ear plugs? by DesertRat662009-08-26 10:11:26
  *boggle* I had not heard that and yes by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 08:21:36
  So what part of by buddha2009-08-26 08:31:44
    I don't think there is a claim that by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 08:38:44
      I was going by the title by buddha2009-08-26 08:49:23
        "Separation of Church and State" by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 08:54:02
    A familiar question by DesertRat662009-08-26 08:41:38
      I think nativity displays are fine by buddha2009-08-26 09:01:27
        That would be tough by DesertRat662009-08-26 09:07:06
        my main concern on prayer in public school by aprylmae2009-08-26 09:09:21
          I'd prefer that faculty and staff not be involved by DesertRat662009-08-26 09:12:01
            agreed by aprylmae2009-08-26 09:13:47
    My problem is missing the last 6 words by robertltux2009-08-26 09:23:42
      Atheisism is not a religion. by buddha2009-08-26 09:35:43
        All but 1a and 1b (n/t) by DesertRat662009-08-26 09:38:10
        I'm looking at the Random House dictionary by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 09:41:11
          Devotional and ritual? by buddha2009-08-26 10:01:23
            The first definition states by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 10:10:05
              I don't believe in by buddha2009-08-26 13:53:08
        Strong atheism: beliefs held to with ardor [...] by chanceslost2009-08-26 09:41:50
        You typed #4 without reading it? by adiplomat2009-08-26 09:42:34
          Faith that something doesn't exist? by buddha2009-08-26 09:56:06
            Incorrect. THAT'S an agnostic. by adiplomat2009-08-26 10:02:42
              No, agnostic is by buddha2009-08-26 10:04:42
                You skipped the main point, I see. by adiplomat2009-08-26 10:12:40
                  There's a difference. by kelli2172009-08-26 11:56:23
                  I must be religious because I by buddha2009-08-26 13:51:17
              That varies with the definition by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 10:04:51
            religion and faith aren't about proof by aprylmae2009-08-26 10:58:29
        A comment from an atheist: by Ascag2009-08-26 12:09:07
          This is actually faith by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:16:53
            Might be, yes. by Ascag2009-08-26 12:40:00
              I'm not sure what you mean by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:46:09
                So I said "It's only a grain". by Ascag2009-08-26 12:59:10
                  If you make up the rules yourself by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 13:03:32
                    A proposal: by Ascag2009-08-26 13:19:02
                      It would be a good question. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 13:25:14
                        It's getting late here. by Ascag2009-08-26 13:53:06
        Agnosticism is not a religion by Nightwind2009-08-26 18:06:42
  And this differs from the right-wing churches how? by werehatrack2009-08-26 08:43:39
    It doesn't necessarily differ by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 08:47:31
      Then let the same voices be raised in outrage... by werehatrack2009-08-26 08:51:35
        That's fine with me. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 08:54:49
        I CHALLENGE YOU! by SnArL2009-08-26 08:56:10
          Hmmm... things've slowed down a bit here... :+) (n/t) by adiplomat2009-08-26 09:36:37
            I kept expecting him to say "pikachu" by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 09:40:33
              AR-15, I choose you! (n/t) by SnArL2009-08-26 09:47:31
                Wonder Twin Powers - Form of - a J-SOW! by adiplomat2009-08-26 09:53:09
                  nha, said is I want to know where this is from. (n/t) by Nightwind2009-08-26 18:09:26
    Oh... Just this: by DesertRat662009-08-26 08:50:37
      Reading that, something strikes me. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 08:56:34
        Taxpayer funded at that by DesertRat662009-08-26 09:00:07
        Modern tech; IM broadcast. or equivalent by werehatrack2009-08-26 09:02:08
          According to the main article by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 09:04:59
      How many times did Bush Jr meet by werehatrack2009-08-26 08:57:24
        Data needed, without an example argument doesn't by techi8702009-08-26 09:02:08
          Jeff Sharlet reported in a 2005 Harper's by buddha2009-08-26 09:28:08
            The unanswered question by DesertRat662009-08-26 09:35:55
              Per my post below, by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 09:44:39
                Well it wouldn't take a rocket scientist by DesertRat662009-08-26 10:06:56
                  If it's what I'm thinking of by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 10:13:34
            Thanks, If UF has taught me nothing else, I've by techi8702009-08-26 09:38:56
            Unless I misread it, all your article indicates is by SaylorA2009-08-26 09:43:10
              Just backing up the claim he met with right by buddha2009-08-26 09:46:52
                Fair enough. I had construed your post to imply by SaylorA2009-08-26 09:49:36
        None that I'm aware of. by DesertRat662009-08-26 09:02:55
          Bush met with religious leaders most Mondays. by werehatrack2009-08-26 09:42:41
            While interesting, yet very tinfoil hatish by DesertRat662009-08-26 10:03:51
              He didn't need to. by JaR2009-08-26 10:36:22
                I don't recall mention of any evidence for that. (n/t) by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 10:39:34
                Let me see if I got this straight by DesertRat662009-08-26 10:53:33
                  I fail to see the difference. by JaR2009-08-26 11:08:23
                    And why is it more palatable? by DesertRat662009-08-26 11:21:48
                      Nope. Altho your 1st statement is by JaR2009-08-26 11:44:42
                        You should have known by DesertRat662009-08-26 11:59:36
                          Yup. In hindsight. My bad. (n/t) by JaR2009-08-26 12:35:58
                            I had a head start by DesertRat662009-08-26 12:51:59
                        I have to question this by Stuka2009-08-26 12:21:58
                          Hmmm by JaR2009-08-26 12:48:33
                            The powers not delegated to the United States by by DesertRat662009-08-26 12:57:17
                              True enough. by JaR2009-08-26 14:01:06
                                It's only because we allow it that it happens by DesertRat662009-08-26 14:20:50
                                Truth is, however, that we DO allow by JaR2009-08-26 15:48:33
                                Actually some of those are constitutional. by SaylorA2009-08-26 14:28:13
                          Just one question: by kelli2172009-08-26 13:16:36
                            He's gone a long way in 2 by Stuka2009-08-26 14:28:14
                              Thought it was 2 auto makers by DesertRat662009-08-26 14:30:39
                                Couldn't remember about Chrysler by Stuka2009-08-26 21:03:02
                    The seperation was never intended to remove by SaylorA2009-08-26 11:48:08
    Um, what about the "left wing" churches and by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 08:58:03
  He may be asking them to support it by aprylmae2009-08-26 09:18:17
    True; however, by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 09:20:20
      political figures always ask for support, by aprylmae2009-08-26 09:29:02
    The problem here lies though before by Classic_Jon2009-08-26 09:21:27
    hmmm by AprylMae2009-08-26 15:06:55
  One thing that's interesting to me by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 09:23:28
    It's the People's Front of Judea (n/t) by bitflipper2009-08-26 09:45:22
      :-D by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 09:46:46
        Aw, man, you've missed out! by bitflipper2009-08-26 09:48:38
  Setting aside the religious aspect... by Stuka2009-08-26 12:28:25
    I like that approach by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:32:11
      Let me see if I have this right. by aprylmae2009-08-26 12:46:37
        No, we don't. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 12:50:38
          Then why have a president at all? by aprylmae2009-08-26 13:01:22
            Strictly speaking, we don't elect a President by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 13:07:57
              But to whom is blame assigned by aprylmae2009-08-26 13:15:56
                He shouldn't be. by MatthewDBA2009-08-26 13:19:19
    Appealing to the legislators' constituents by DesertRat662009-08-26 12:44:57
      can you think of a better way of by aprylmae2009-08-26 12:56:35
        I can think of more appropriate ones by DesertRat662009-08-26 13:03:26
          I disagree by aprylmae2009-08-26 13:08:08
            specifically sent someone to do so for him... by DesertRat662009-08-26 13:18:48
              not really by aprylmae2009-08-26 13:28:13
                really by DesertRat662009-08-26 13:40:22

 

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