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Philosophy Corner: Ontology by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 06:51:21
  A self-evidential event of the subjective ego by bitflipper 2009-08-24 07:26:49
interacting with the objective world or introspecting itself?

Dante's inner homonculus clearing its throat?

Dang! This one's gonna be rough. 'Specially on a Monday morning.

All right, I start with this: thoughts are self-evident; we know when we are thinking. But, hmmm... can we know when we are not thinking? probably not. So I'll take it a step further: thoughts are the self-evident, necessary fundament to awareness of any sort.
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    Would be Descartes-esque. by krikkert2009-08-24 07:33:06
      Actually, I was thinking more of conditions that by bitflipper2009-08-24 07:38:07
        As with anything like this, we need a framework... by jdelphiki2009-08-24 08:02:09
          Exactly. by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 08:04:09
          How about "adaptive behavior"? by bitflipper2009-08-24 08:30:22
            That's an interesting approach. by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 08:34:59
              Perhaps it does by bitflipper2009-08-24 09:26:36
                How would you be able to tell by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 09:33:52
                  No, an external test is sufficient by bitflipper2009-08-24 09:47:07
                    I'm not as sure as you seem to be by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 09:59:26
                      Most programs are written deliberately to assist by bitflipper2009-08-24 10:47:04
                        You can determine whether another person by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 10:51:07
                          How is it absent? by bitflipper2009-08-24 11:16:26
                            I'm wondering if things like by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 11:28:16
                              But, again, would a conversation with a strong AI by bitflipper2009-08-24 11:52:24
                                One difference between by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 12:28:51
                                Yes, but, by market statistics, most people by bitflipper2009-08-24 13:11:20
    Would that imply that (for example) by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 07:37:08
      3: Evidenced by "Hold my beer and watch this." (n/t) by chanceslost2009-08-24 07:39:17
        :-D (n/t) by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 07:43:35
      My take would be: by bitflipper2009-08-24 07:51:37
        That's not quite circular. by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 08:02:26
          Sure; it tells us that thought is necessary by bitflipper2009-08-24 08:53:12
            "The presence of thought in another creature by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 09:03:30
              I doubt it by bitflipper2009-08-24 09:33:31
                That appears to be directly contradictory by MatthewDBA2009-08-24 09:35:26
                  Yes, I mis-stated it, earlier by bitflipper2009-08-24 09:50:33
        I would give the wasp the benefit of doubt. by tallastro2009-08-24 09:06:59

 

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