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UF Philosophy Corner: Metaphysics | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 09:52:58 |
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Sounds like a free will:determinism question (n/t) | by Illiad | 2009-04-02 09:54:09 |
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by MatthewDBA |
2009-04-02 10:01:17 |
Here's another way of putting the argument:
If I'm correct in concluding that my thoughts are entirely determined by natural processes, then I have no way to determine whether the conclusions produced by those natural processes are true - there's no particular reason they must be. But if I can't tell whether the conclusions produced by those natural processes are true, then I can't tell whether I'm correct in concluding that my thoughts are entirely determined by natural processes - a contradiction. |
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OK then. | by Illiad | 2009-04-02 10:14:53 |
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Basically it comes down to "Cogito Ergo Sum." | by RetiQlum2 | 2009-04-02 10:57:16 |
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Heh, you beat me too it (n/t) | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 11:02:17 |
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That's more or less the idea | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 11:03:18 |
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Non sequitur | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 11:08:39 |
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I'm not sure what you mean. | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 11:10:30 |
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He unquestioningly accepts several assumption | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 11:18:26 |
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I don't see him assuming "an unexplained process" | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 11:21:11 |
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Ah, yes, that was about your rephrasing | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 11:43:02 |
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You BOTH missed the point: | by RetiQlum2 | 2009-04-02 11:47:49 |
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Indeed | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 11:53:25 |
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What leads you to believe | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 12:05:29 |
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Anything more requires an assumption | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 12:09:13 |
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I still feel like I'm missing something | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 12:11:59 |
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Your argument mentions natural processes | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 12:20:24 |
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But either natural processes exist, | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 12:24:38 |
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Not quite | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 12:40:14 |
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Okay I assume that you'd agree that | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 12:46:02 |
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You're assuming an "either/or" scenario | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 13:01:32 |
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Okay, I'll bring it back up tomorrow | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 13:04:56 |
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The diskworld spins on the back of 4 elephants. | by RetiQlum2 | 2009-04-02 12:18:29 |
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You are all NOT my imagined fever dream. | by Illiad | 2009-04-02 11:55:14 |
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Right. Diane Lane incarnated as a llama, maybe. | by Adiplomat | 2009-04-02 15:10:56 |
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That was a camel. :p (n/t) | by Illiad | 2009-04-02 16:30:50 |
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Branching out, are we? | by Adiplomat | 2009-04-02 18:17:29 |
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I'm still not sure I follow | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 11:59:52 |
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3 degrees of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle | by Classic_Jon | 2009-04-02 11:09:12 |
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This strikes me as a subset of a larger question | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 10:59:48 |
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I don't think we can ever determine that. | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 11:09:34 |
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Did you ever watch Dark Star? | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 11:40:45 |
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Can't watch U Tube from here :-( (n/t) | by MatthewDBA | 2009-04-02 12:00:26 |
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Be sure to check it out when you get the chance (n/t) | by PeKaJe | 2009-04-02 12:10:21 |
