| Copyright v. Piracy: "It's not theft." |
by Illiad |
2008-08-27 16:36:18 |
| I happen to agree with this. Copying media is not theft. It's not a crime, as it has civil remedies. And, as we often hear and read, when copying media, nothing is "stolen," in the sense that making a copy of a work does not deprive the copyright holder of the use of that work.
Those folks who pirate software gleefully (and often with some strange sort of moral superiority) also point out that since they wouldn't have bought a copy of the game/music/software/work anyway, the copyright holder isn't losing anything.
I disagree with this. What this sort of pirate is essentially trying to argue is: "Since I never intended to pay for X, it should be okay for me just to take X. I should be permitted to enjoy X even if I didn't pay for it," where X = some product that likely has thousands of man-hours of work behind it.
Since entertainment is often the material in question, let's try a parallel. "Baked Goods" is a band that is moderately successful. It goes on tour, and puts on a live concert in Vancouver. The venue can hold 1,000 people. Eight hundred fans show up with paid-for tickets. Another hundred show up and sneak in without paying. Is what the hundred did okay because they never had any intention of paying for a concert ticket to begin with? |
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One thing to keep in mind | by DesertRat66 | 2008-08-27 16:41:33 |
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Thieves went to the gallows too, | by hej | 2008-08-27 16:47:27 |
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Twelvepence, according to Blackwell (n/t) | by archnerd | 2008-08-27 16:57:31 |
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s/Blackwell/Blackstone/l (n/t) | by archnerd | 2008-08-27 16:57:53 |
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Ok. Even lower. (n/t) | by hej | 2008-08-27 17:06:48 |
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I thought they became chummy with Davey Jones. | by kahuana | 2008-08-27 17:46:55 |
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It does no harm. | by hej | 2008-08-27 16:45:08 |
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Well, if they didn't have the money, | by Lab Rat | 2008-08-27 16:48:44 |
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Why? (n/t) | by hej | 2008-08-27 16:49:16 |
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Simplest answer is | by Diorama | 2008-08-27 16:51:48 |
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I did not see an answer. | by hej | 2008-08-27 16:56:37 |
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If you don't have a right to it | by Diorama | 2008-08-27 17:01:44 |
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So on what basis do you say that you have a right | by hej | 2008-08-27 17:09:06 |
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It is posted explicitly for people to read | by Diorama | 2008-08-27 17:12:54 |
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Why reward a sense of entitlement? | by Illiad | 2008-08-27 16:53:13 |
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It isn't. It is ok to want it. | by hej | 2008-08-27 17:02:14 |
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Oh, and I should immediately concede that | by hej | 2008-08-27 17:04:22 |
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The creator puts it here | by Diorama | 2008-08-27 17:05:03 |
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No, I wouldn't. | by hej | 2008-08-27 17:11:37 |
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Then that's no different from | by Diorama | 2008-08-27 17:16:18 |
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Well sure, but wanting it... | by Illiad | 2008-08-27 17:11:04 |
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I didn't assume anything. I merely stated that | by Lab Rat | 2008-08-27 17:14:47 |
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Another good analogy... | by McNutcase | 2008-08-27 17:19:01 |
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Good one. (n/t) | by Lab Rat | 2008-08-27 17:20:20 |
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But why does it have to do harm before it's bad? | by Illiad | 2008-08-27 17:00:05 |
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How do you feel about piracy being a way to vote | by confused.brit | 2008-08-27 17:06:37 |
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It makes sense | by Diorama | 2008-08-27 17:09:30 |
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Voting with your feet would work better | by hej | 2008-08-27 17:14:28 |
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Actually, in the example i gave i talked about an | by confused.brit | 2008-08-27 17:16:27 |
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Then you should encourage them to do similar CDs | by josie_beller | 2008-08-27 17:56:40 |
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What about this scenario w/ regards to old music? | by voxwoman | 2008-08-27 19:43:01 |
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Morality doesn't work for me. | by tallastro | 2008-08-27 20:23:30 |
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harm can be defined in several ways... | by perlcat45 | 2008-08-27 17:51:12 |
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w.r.t. to the concert analogy | by archnerd | 2008-08-27 16:49:10 |
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Always makes me wonder.. | by Ex0h | 2008-08-27 17:35:50 |
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To clarify, and bring Illiads concert in.. | by Ex0h | 2008-08-27 17:55:36 |
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people standing outside the concert hall | by voxwoman | 2008-08-27 19:47:53 |
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What is the difference between a CD/DVD/car and a | by kahuana | 2008-08-27 18:19:01 |
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if you copy a dollar bill | by voxwoman | 2008-08-27 19:48:53 |
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So it's *only* forgery and counterfeiting *if* you | by kahuana | 2008-08-27 20:15:07 |
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Piracy** is like counterfeiting. | by kahuana | 2008-08-27 17:45:13 |
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Only if you try and pass the copy off as original | by Control | 2008-08-27 22:05:04 |
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Here's more questions: | by UGuardian | 2008-08-27 17:54:13 |
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If I produced software... | by Illiad | 2008-08-27 17:56:14 |
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Buying something secondhand isn't piracy | by toysbfun | 2008-08-27 17:58:33 |
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Many EULA's state otherwise.. | by Ex0h | 2008-08-27 18:03:37 |
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They also have a clause which states that should | by kahuana | 2008-08-27 18:07:41 |
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Speaking hypothetically.... | by josie_beller | 2008-08-27 18:26:01 |
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there's at least 2 issues, here | by swisscheese | 2008-08-27 18:07:54 |
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IP rights are a fruit of labour/investment. (n/t) | by kahuana | 2008-08-27 18:10:14 |
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They are: | by Illiad | 2008-08-27 18:21:17 |
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What if John Smith wrote his own JB but | by voxwoman | 2008-08-27 19:35:10 |
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Fanfic generally isn't done for profit | by josie_beller | 2008-08-27 20:14:28 |
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The fanfic subject has come up regarding UF before | by Illiad | 2008-08-27 20:24:45 |
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Well, then you get the kind of situation, where... | by swisscheese | 2008-08-27 22:30:33 |
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No. Yes. I'm sure. Maybe. It depends. | by Dire_Lobo | 2008-08-27 18:38:09 |
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Great reply! (n/t) | by swisscheese | 2008-08-27 22:32:38 |
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One more comment on the concert/gig model | by voxwoman | 2008-08-27 19:53:01 |
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You got that right. | by Peace_man | 2008-08-27 21:22:06 |
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In the US. it is a federal crime | by vdp | 2008-08-28 00:10:58 |
