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UF Philosophy Corner by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 08:01:34
  Yes. by bitflipper2008-08-22 08:07:39
    Would you say by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 08:33:13
      Actually, your interaction with the painting... by bitflipper2008-08-22 08:54:55
        Which depends on by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 08:59:57
          "Equivalent?" Unlikely. But certainly correlative. by bitflipper2008-08-22 09:14:52
            Exactly by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 09:20:25
              How certain do I need to be? by bitflipper2008-08-22 09:34:25
                I think it is by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 09:39:59
                  What do you mean by "really similar"? by bitflipper2008-08-22 10:06:51
                    I'm asking whether by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 10:17:31
                      :grin: You *know* what correlation means in the... by bitflipper2008-08-22 10:56:06
                        The problem I have with that is by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 11:00:35
                          So, your claim is that I *can't* take measurements by bitflipper2008-08-22 11:15:35
                            My claim is by MatthewDBA 2008-08-22 11:44:07
that it's currently unfounded to claim that you can take measurements that correspond to the change I report. *I* know that there is a change because I have a privileged view of my subjective experience; thus, I have no need to attempt to measure a change in my experience. My claim is that you may or may not be able to measure anything corresponding to that change (as reported by me)
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                              Which is different from my claim. by tallastro2008-08-22 11:58:23
                                Perhaps that's the next question then by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:05:18
                                Taken in order by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:18:14
                                I'm not certain why that last supposition by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:19:13
                              Setting aside for the moment... by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:04:26
                                I am claiming by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:08:11
                                It must be measureable, or it is not measureable. by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:29:25
                                That's what I initially thought you meant by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:36:35
                                Every cause is, itself, an effect, with its own by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:54:48
                                I think where I disagree by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 13:00:10
                                Could very well be by bitflipper2008-08-22 13:56:52
                                I'm not quite sure of that by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 14:08:41

 

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