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UF Philosophy Corner by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 08:01:34
  Yes. by bitflipper2008-08-22 08:07:39
    Would you say by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 08:33:13
      Actually, your interaction with the painting... by bitflipper2008-08-22 08:54:55
        Which depends on by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 08:59:57
          "Equivalent?" Unlikely. But certainly correlative. by bitflipper2008-08-22 09:14:52
            Exactly by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 09:20:25
              How certain do I need to be? by bitflipper2008-08-22 09:34:25
                I think it is by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 09:39:59
                  What do you mean by "really similar"? by bitflipper 2008-08-22 10:06:51
True, if I sample you and one other person who reports being less amazed by the picture a week after his first experience of it, I will not be able to say, from that sampling, that you both see yellow in the same way. But, I will be able to say, "you both have decreased levels of seratonin in your CNS and blood stream compared to the experience a week ago, and you both are showing decreased neural activity in your your visual cortices and your cerebrums, and that indicates to me the experience is less intense and less pleasurable for you than it was last week."

That is all the similarity I need; it shows to me that there is a distinct change in the both of you in regards to your experiences of the painting. I'm not trying to show you both experience the painting in the same way; I'm only trying to show how the current experience is different than the previous one. You asked "what changed;" you didn't ask "what am I really seeing?"
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                    I'm asking whether by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 10:17:31
                      The idea of taking a few measurements and then by tallastro2008-08-22 10:34:10
                        Agreed; I was thinking by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 10:48:50
                          Perhaps they are by bitflipper2008-08-22 11:11:36
                            You could find a change in my body, probably by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 11:45:25
                              Of *course* it does by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:21:47
                                I don't know where you'd find me by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:27:17
                                We begin to touch on theological differences, here by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:39:27
                                That's an interesting idea by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:43:43
                                I just realized by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 13:03:49
                                See? by bitflipper2008-08-22 13:18:38
                                <Deleted><Deleted>2008-08-22 15:26:25
                                Moderated: Double Post (n/t) by Nea2008-08-22 15:26:37
                                woops. s/world or perceptions/world of perceptions (n/t) by bitflipper2008-08-22 13:19:27
                                Exactly. :grin: by bitflipper2008-08-22 13:05:06
                                Now that's *really* interesting by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 13:12:50
                                Anybody have something resembling empirical by tallastro2008-08-22 13:10:51
                                Not definitive, no. by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 13:13:17
                                Empirically speaking, I'm not aware of any by bitflipper2008-08-22 13:37:13
                      :grin: You *know* what correlation means in the... by bitflipper2008-08-22 10:56:06
                        The problem I have with that is by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 11:00:35
                          So, your claim is that I *can't* take measurements by bitflipper2008-08-22 11:15:35
                            My claim is by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 11:44:07
                              Which is different from my claim. by tallastro2008-08-22 11:58:23
                                Perhaps that's the next question then by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:05:18
                                Taken in order by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:18:14
                                I'm not certain why that last supposition by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:19:13
                              Setting aside for the moment... by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:04:26
                                I am claiming by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:08:11
                                It must be measureable, or it is not measureable. by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:29:25
                                That's what I initially thought you meant by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 12:36:35
                                Every cause is, itself, an effect, with its own by bitflipper2008-08-22 12:54:48
                                I think where I disagree by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 13:00:10
                                Could very well be by bitflipper2008-08-22 13:56:52
                                I'm not quite sure of that by MatthewDBA2008-08-22 14:08:41

 

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