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UF Philosophy Corner | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 08:01:34 |
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Yes. | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 08:07:39 |
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Would you say | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 08:33:13 |
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Actually, your interaction with the painting... | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 08:54:55 |
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Which depends on | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 08:59:57 |
| "Equivalent?" Unlikely. But certainly correlative. |
by bitflipper |
2008-08-22 09:14:52 |
And here I thought I had been most careful with my phrasing. :sigh:
What is this interaction you're telling me about? Where is it? Point to it. Measure it. Show me it.
That's what I mean by "it's a very vague thing." Only you can experience your interaction; my experience is my interaction.
But our physical selves, now, these are measureable. We can point to them, easily.
As for you being the same you as you were when you were, way back when... (I think that phrase can be parsed :s ) Is there any reason to expect a discontinuity between you as you were then and you as you are now? Without such a discontinuity, how would you not be you? Sure, you're not identical to the you that you were, but that's exactly what I'm measuring: the changes between you-then and you-now that correlate to the change you report in your experience. |
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Exactly | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 09:20:25 |
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How certain do I need to be? | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 09:34:25 |
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I think it is | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 09:39:59 |
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What do you mean by "really similar"? | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 10:06:51 |
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I'm asking whether | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 10:17:31 |
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The idea of taking a few measurements and then | by tallastro | 2008-08-22 10:34:10 |
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Agreed; I was thinking | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 10:48:50 |
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Perhaps they are | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 11:11:36 |
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You could find a change in my body, probably | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 11:45:25 |
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Of *course* it does | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 12:21:47 |
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I don't know where you'd find me | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 12:27:17 |
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We begin to touch on theological differences, here | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 12:39:27 |
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That's an interesting idea | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 12:43:43 |
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I just realized | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 13:03:49 |
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See? | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 13:18:38 |
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<Deleted> | <Deleted> | 2008-08-22 15:26:25 |
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Moderated: Double Post (n/t) | by Nea | 2008-08-22 15:26:37 |
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woops. s/world or perceptions/world of perceptions (n/t) | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 13:19:27 |
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Exactly. :grin: | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 13:05:06 |
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Now that's *really* interesting | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 13:12:50 |
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Anybody have something resembling empirical | by tallastro | 2008-08-22 13:10:51 |
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Not definitive, no. | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 13:13:17 |
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Empirically speaking, I'm not aware of any | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 13:37:13 |
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:grin: You *know* what correlation means in the... | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 10:56:06 |
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The problem I have with that is | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 11:00:35 |
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So, your claim is that I *can't* take measurements | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 11:15:35 |
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My claim is | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 11:44:07 |
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Which is different from my claim. | by tallastro | 2008-08-22 11:58:23 |
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Perhaps that's the next question then | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 12:05:18 |
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Taken in order | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 12:18:14 |
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I'm not certain why that last supposition | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 12:19:13 |
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Setting aside for the moment... | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 12:04:26 |
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I am claiming | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 12:08:11 |
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It must be measureable, or it is not measureable. | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 12:29:25 |
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That's what I initially thought you meant | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 12:36:35 |
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Every cause is, itself, an effect, with its own | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 12:54:48 |
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I think where I disagree | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 13:00:10 |
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Could very well be | by bitflipper | 2008-08-22 13:56:52 |
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I'm not quite sure of that | by MatthewDBA | 2008-08-22 14:08:41 |
