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A truly civilized society is not one in which by hadji2008-04-07 09:01:04
  Why not generalise that to violence? by Esteis2008-04-07 09:03:56
    To make a choice, you must have the actual option by Twitchh2008-04-07 09:16:33
      You are talking 'people'; hadji asked about by Peace_man2008-04-07 09:44:01
        Unless you specifically define by MatthewDBA2008-04-07 09:50:35
          I'm sure that option was specifically included by Peace_man2008-04-07 09:58:28
            It doesn't take much time or training by MatthewDBA2008-04-07 09:59:39
              I wouldn't think so. by Peace_man2008-04-07 10:04:00
                I would say that by MatthewDBA2008-04-07 10:07:05
                  Yeah, see, that's why I should have stipulated by Peace_man2008-04-07 10:11:57
                    See, no, you can't do that. by hadji2008-04-07 10:20:35
                      Hmmm - since we are now talking about by Peace_man 2008-04-07 10:34:30
Esteis' re-statement of your TLP, where the question has been turned into one of whether members of a truly civilized society choose not to be violent, I will have to agree. In a truly civilized society, members of that society choose not to be violent. And this will have to include violence to children.

But that makes the question in your TLP moot - because it was one about choosing to use weapons. I automatically included the acquisition and training to be included - but a child molester needs no more weapon than his/her own body, and no special training. In which case Esteis' re-statement becomes one that defines what 'truly civilized society' means, rather than one about members of such a society.
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                        I thought that was the purpose by MatthewDBA2008-04-07 10:37:16
                          The TLP implies it. by Peace_man2008-04-07 10:54:10
                            Training? by hadji2008-04-07 10:56:44
                              How can you tell? by Peace_man2008-04-07 11:03:22
                                In regards to your first question, by hadji2008-04-07 11:06:32

 

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