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Since we are almost in a recession by imrambi2008-03-20 11:48:51
  It's not a recession, it's just prices going up by murphoid2008-03-20 12:05:36
    Keep telling yourself that. (n/t) by Didactylos2008-03-20 12:08:29
      Where's the contraction of the US economy? by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 12:20:36
        What areas is it expanding in though? by subbywan2008-03-20 12:44:52
          Expansion is irrelevant for a discussion by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 12:48:10
            It may be relevant. by subbywan2008-03-20 12:51:45
              In that case, yes. by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 13:07:49
                Therein lies the trouble. by subbywan2008-03-20 13:16:43
                  Of course. by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 13:20:08
                    It all depends on where they get their source data by subbywan2008-03-20 13:22:46
                      Could just mean, that everybody uses the same by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 13:40:58
                        Yeah, but they're also French :P by subbywan2008-03-20 13:46:00
                          As if the French loved the States. :P by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 14:06:28
                            The US is seen as a entity in and of itself by subbywan2008-03-20 14:10:18
                              Elaborate, please, with short words, if you can. by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 14:12:42
                                Economically, the EU operates as a whole by subbywan2008-03-20 14:23:41
                                This is not quite true, I think. by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 14:35:56
                                The member states can be very diverse, but by subbywan2008-03-20 14:46:08
                                Of course the US can do so. by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 14:49:14
                                Even national security is tempered by subbywan2008-03-20 15:03:04
                                Not all EU members are Schengen members. by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 15:07:42
                                Yes, but the analogy holds. by subbywan2008-03-20 15:09:31
                                My point: by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 15:21:46
                                yes, you're talking past me :P by subbywan 2008-03-20 15:32:36
I'm aware of many of the intricacies of the EU -- I'm saying it's those very intricacies that cause the EU to largely be treated as a whole by groups like the OECD -- whilst ostensibly independent states, the member EU states are not nearly as free as they make out (just consider, as one example, that many of the nation-state laws are subordinate to the EU Constitution by virtue of the EU Constitutional Court being the highest court that any EU member can appeal to, even over their own supreme courts in many cases).

You cannot deal *just* with one country, even if that's who you're negotiating with, because that one country is beholden to the EU group as a whole and is limited as to what they can and cannot do in many areas.
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                                Well, I said that my perspective can be skewed. by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 15:36:15
                                Actually, there are some aspects the US would do by subbywan2008-03-20 15:38:49
                                Works both ways. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2008-03-20 15:52:04

 

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