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Alexis de Tocqueville on the U.S. election by DesertRat662008-01-15 09:04:28
  I take it this isn't recent enough to by Peace_man2008-01-15 09:49:28
    It is a warning by DesertRat662008-01-15 09:57:32
      Surrender of freedom to a tutelary power by Peace_man2008-01-15 10:22:49
        And you wonder why we're advocates... by esbita2008-01-15 10:33:24
          Yes. by Peace_man2008-01-15 10:40:54
            Judging from the world around us... by esbita 2008-01-15 11:09:08
...very difficult. Thousands of years of history shows that a government that gets too large and powerful tends to oppress its citizens (and everyone else it can reach, too).

Then again, we also have very different ideas on what the valid tasks of the government really are.
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              I suspect we aren't likely to agree on this. by Peace_man2008-01-15 13:33:53
                Oil and water, yes. by esbita2008-01-15 13:56:19
                  Maybe we live in different worlds then. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:01:11
                    um, you mean like the recent posts you made by subbywan2008-01-15 14:02:35
                      You have me mistaken for someone else. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:21:34
                        Indeed I do not have you mistaken for someone else (n/t) by subbywan2008-01-15 14:22:59
                        I expect that they should be adults by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:24:13
                          You forgot egocentric (n/t) by subbywan2008-01-15 14:25:10
                            I thought all those things = egocentric. (n/t) by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:25:41
                              hrm. i'll have to consider that, but you may have by subbywan2008-01-15 14:29:07
                          I'm sorry to hear that this is your experience. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:26:29
                            No. too many people see this in too many by subbywan2008-01-15 14:28:34
                              Do I live in a better place than you? by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:33:48
                                You do not. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:35:04
                                Your glass may be half empty. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:41:56
                                My glass is very nearly full. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:45:02
                                I had no idea you were a police man. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:58:46
                                Which claim? by subbywan2008-01-15 15:03:28
                                Your claim that you stop people from taking by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:07:10
                                Yes, and I do by subbywan2008-01-15 15:10:07
                                Are there a lot of attempts to take what is yours? by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:19:53
                                a lot, no. But some, yes. by subbywan2008-01-15 15:26:50
                                What this thread needs is... by swisscheese2008-01-15 17:46:31
                                Every april 15th. (n/t) by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:32:14
                                For what could be would require by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:49:53
                                First 5 min of "Idiocracy" highlights that *well* (n/t) by subbywan2008-01-15 14:51:18
                                I really don't like that viewpoint. by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:04:25
                                I do see them as inevitable by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:10:22
                                Are you kidding? by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:24:26
                                There is plenty of work, by lheggland2008-01-15 15:30:28
                                That sucks. by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:44:20
                                The various Governments the people voted in by subbywan2008-01-15 15:46:18
                                Points WAY WAY WAY up this thread by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:35:37
                                No a good selective plauge would by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:34:26
                            You live in a rather small town by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:39:56
                              I live on an acreage. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:52:51
                                Um, you do realise that most of the modern world by subbywan2008-01-15 14:54:56
                                How and where I live demonstrates that by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:10:16
                                For now, yes. by subbywan2008-01-15 15:12:35
                                your sample group is to small and homgenous then. (n/t) by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:12:56
                                ok then you live in a MUCH smaller community by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:56:09
                                Just what do you consider a small town? by lheggland2008-01-15 15:13:56
                                3000 (roughly Havre De Grace sized) by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:20:06
                                IMO, those are not small towns. by lheggland2008-01-15 15:24:19
                                Not really gonna happen on the east coast till by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:37:00
                    Same world, but not all of us wear blinders. by esbita2008-01-15 15:56:26
                      Same in an italian neighborhood and for by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:40:00

 

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