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Alexis de Tocqueville on the U.S. election by DesertRat662008-01-15 09:04:28
  I take it this isn't recent enough to by Peace_man2008-01-15 09:49:28
    It is a warning by DesertRat662008-01-15 09:57:32
      Surrender of freedom to a tutelary power by Peace_man2008-01-15 10:22:49
        And you wonder why we're advocates... by esbita 2008-01-15 10:33:24
...of small government?
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          Yes. by Peace_man2008-01-15 10:40:54
            There is little benifit to a large government by joecrouse2008-01-15 10:57:47
              Wasn't that what the Roman Empire provided? by Peace_man2008-01-15 12:33:53
                And where to Govt initiatives come from? (n/t) by subbywan2008-01-15 14:05:02
                and look what happened to the Romans by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:21:00
                  Their government became corrupt. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:23:08
                    Your missing WHY it became corrupt by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:53:26
                      Are you willing to allow a corrupt government? by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:02:06
                        I do speak out against it as do many by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:11:43
                          Corruption is everywhere. It is NOT inherent by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:15:20
                            For very very small systems. by subbywan2008-01-15 15:15:55
                            no your right the coruption isnt in the system by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:20:46
                              That is correct. by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:27:30
                                no its still coruption. by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:31:51
            Judging from the world around us... by esbita2008-01-15 11:09:08
              I suspect we aren't likely to agree on this. by Peace_man2008-01-15 13:33:53
                Oil and water, yes. by esbita2008-01-15 13:56:19
                  Maybe we live in different worlds then. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:01:11
                    um, you mean like the recent posts you made by subbywan2008-01-15 14:02:35
                      You have me mistaken for someone else. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:21:34
                        Indeed I do not have you mistaken for someone else (n/t) by subbywan2008-01-15 14:22:59
                        I expect that they should be adults by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:24:13
                          You forgot egocentric (n/t) by subbywan2008-01-15 14:25:10
                            I thought all those things = egocentric. (n/t) by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:25:41
                              hrm. i'll have to consider that, but you may have by subbywan2008-01-15 14:29:07
                          I'm sorry to hear that this is your experience. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:26:29
                            No. too many people see this in too many by subbywan2008-01-15 14:28:34
                              Do I live in a better place than you? by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:33:48
                                You do not. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:35:04
                                Your glass may be half empty. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:41:56
                                My glass is very nearly full. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:45:02
                                I had no idea you were a police man. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:58:46
                                Which claim? by subbywan2008-01-15 15:03:28
                                Your claim that you stop people from taking by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:07:10
                                Yes, and I do by subbywan2008-01-15 15:10:07
                                Are there a lot of attempts to take what is yours? by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:19:53
                                a lot, no. But some, yes. by subbywan2008-01-15 15:26:50
                                What this thread needs is... by swisscheese2008-01-15 17:46:31
                                Every april 15th. (n/t) by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:32:14
                                For what could be would require by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:49:53
                                First 5 min of "Idiocracy" highlights that *well* (n/t) by subbywan2008-01-15 14:51:18
                                I really don't like that viewpoint. by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:04:25
                                I do see them as inevitable by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:10:22
                                Are you kidding? by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:24:26
                                There is plenty of work, by lheggland2008-01-15 15:30:28
                                That sucks. by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:44:20
                                The various Governments the people voted in by subbywan2008-01-15 15:46:18
                                Points WAY WAY WAY up this thread by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:35:37
                                No a good selective plauge would by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:34:26
                            You live in a rather small town by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:39:56
                              I live on an acreage. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:52:51
                                Um, you do realise that most of the modern world by subbywan2008-01-15 14:54:56
                                How and where I live demonstrates that by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:10:16
                                For now, yes. by subbywan2008-01-15 15:12:35
                                your sample group is to small and homgenous then. (n/t) by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:12:56
                                ok then you live in a MUCH smaller community by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:56:09
                                Just what do you consider a small town? by lheggland2008-01-15 15:13:56
                                3000 (roughly Havre De Grace sized) by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:20:06
                                IMO, those are not small towns. by lheggland2008-01-15 15:24:19
                                Not really gonna happen on the east coast till by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:37:00
                    Same world, but not all of us wear blinders. by esbita2008-01-15 15:56:26
                      Same in an italian neighborhood and for by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:40:00
            Jefferson put his faith in a robust free press by swisscheese2008-01-15 12:40:54
              That tells me why we need to ensure a by Peace_man2008-01-15 13:29:47
                Which only works when said press is responsible. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:07:02
                  How would you propose ensuring a responsible by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:25:08
                    I'd shoot irresponsible reports and editors. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:27:15
                      That sounds like something worth pushing for. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:37:03
                        I would. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:40:38
                          libel law is so overwhelming a club... by swisscheese2008-01-15 19:28:17
                        Readers. Perhaps a self induced by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:40:48
                    Id require news papers to be written on a by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:32:19
                    I'd start by limiting ownership concentration by swisscheese2008-01-15 19:16:49
                  NO WAY!! We are responsible by manatee2008-01-15 15:09:23
                    Common sense isn't. by subbywan2008-01-15 15:15:22
                      I applaud the rag sheets they are the ultimate by joecrouse2008-01-15 15:22:15
            Think of it from a Fred Brooks perspective by hobbs2008-01-15 13:22:25
              Please tell me how that explains the by Peace_man2008-01-15 13:26:50
                Beacuse, by lheggland2008-01-15 13:34:12
                  How is that again? by Peace_man2008-01-15 13:39:57
                    Large == inefficent by Sterling_Ag2008-01-15 13:53:23
                      You make no sense. by Peace_man2008-01-15 13:59:24
                        VERY much so. by subbywan2008-01-15 14:09:48
                          Share holders are different from voters. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:32:12
                            You're talking about only 1 type of shareholder by subbywan2008-01-15 14:35:49
                          Goverments have other concerns than effeiciency by swisscheese2008-01-15 19:52:05
                        As long as the shareholders stay happy by Sterling_Ag2008-01-15 14:12:57
                        Large companies take advantage of by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:19:03
                          If it is inefficient, it has to be because it is by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:47:54
                            Because not enough people give a damn by subbywan2008-01-15 15:54:26
                    The source of the revenue is the problem. by lheggland2008-01-15 14:00:39
                      The source of the revenue doesn't matter. by Peace_man2008-01-15 14:18:59
                        most stockholders do not get that involved with by subbywan2008-01-15 14:24:23
                          I have seen it get a lot worse since by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:13:35
                        What you're missing is that by Sterling_Ag2008-01-15 14:25:24
                          Good point! by Peace_man2008-01-15 15:50:34
                            And the government should provide by joecrouse2008-01-15 19:43:10
                Nope the theory is just fine.. by Sterling_Ag2008-01-15 13:45:48
                  Heh. Sounds like you have experienced by Peace_man2008-01-15 13:52:28
                    Not true at all. by lheggland2008-01-15 14:04:47
                    VERY not true. by joecrouse2008-01-15 14:43:21
                Because large government exists by hobbs2008-01-15 15:28:07

 

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