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Attn: Subbywan by Allandaros2007-07-29 10:54:03
  People hold guns to be this magic device by subbywan2007-07-29 11:23:47
    Guns raise the stakes. by Didactylos2007-07-29 11:33:38
      not really. by subbywan2007-07-29 11:37:43
        What else are they designed for? by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:08:23
          Guns were designed for a variety of reasons by subbywan2007-07-29 12:39:24
            Show me a gun designed to prevent killing. by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:49:01
              Wait ... it's about *your* choice? by subbywan2007-07-29 12:55:20
                So many red herrings! by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:07:18
                  *grins* by subbywan2007-07-29 13:14:07
                    One failure to reason by Didactylos 2007-07-29 13:28:37
doesn't imply you can't reason at all....

Guns definitely have other design goals - I'm not contesting that. Some guns are designed to be small, others are designed to spit out loads of bullets very fast, others are designed to kill big game.

But killing is the fundamental design axiom. Anything designed without that goal really doesn't fit the definition of "gun" as we (or at least I) are using it in this discussion. Both CynicalRyan and yourself have constantly attempted to sidetrack the discussion with airguns and other things not at issue. I didn't feel the need to list the precise weapons I'm talking about - but that is no excuse for turning it into a red herring. Getting hidebound by definitions is a sure-fire way to kill a discussion (this thread is a perfect example!)
[ Reply ]
                      Then you are incredibly naive by subbywan2007-07-29 13:36:23
                        You don't see the point. by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:52:34
                          There is no contrast there by subbywan2007-07-29 13:58:07
                            I believe I have made my point. by Didactylos2007-07-29 14:02:40
                              You have. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc FTW! (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-29 14:04:43
                                Hasn't. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 14:08:58
                                Yeah, but you can still kill with it by subbywan2007-07-29 14:23:02
                                Ah, dang. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 14:27:45
                      Sorry, but wrong. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:43:14

 

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