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Attn: Subbywan by Allandaros2007-07-29 10:54:03
  People hold guns to be this magic device by subbywan2007-07-29 11:23:47
    Guns raise the stakes. by Didactylos2007-07-29 11:33:38
      not really. by subbywan2007-07-29 11:37:43
        What else are they designed for? by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:08:23
          Guns were designed for a variety of reasons by subbywan2007-07-29 12:39:24
            Show me a gun designed to prevent killing. by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:49:01
              Wait ... it's about *your* choice? by subbywan 2007-07-29 12:55:20
Says who?

IIRC, the cold war ended without nuclear war, which is what it was designed to do. As such, I'd say it was pretty successful.

The success of the missiles wasn't based on what they *could* do, but what the other side *believed* they could do. Similarly, guns are effective deterrents not because they can actually kill, but because of what we *believe* they could do. That is why an unloaded weapon can be as effective as a loaded weapon, despite not being able to be useful as anything other than a club.

Don't confuse perception with ability.

Also, I did not warp your words. I said that I agreed they were designed for something in particular, and I indicated the change I inserted. I did not say YOU had said that. As such, I could not have warped your words, but I am sorry you misread it that way.
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                So many red herrings! by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:07:18
                  Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:13:02
                  Wait, what? What have you been smoking? (n/t) by krikkert2007-07-29 13:13:59
                  *grins* by subbywan2007-07-29 13:14:07
                    One failure to reason by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:28:37
                      Then you are incredibly naive by subbywan2007-07-29 13:36:23
                        You don't see the point. by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:52:34
                          There is no contrast there by subbywan2007-07-29 13:58:07
                            I believe I have made my point. by Didactylos2007-07-29 14:02:40
                              You have. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc FTW! (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-29 14:04:43
                                Hasn't. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 14:08:58
                                Yeah, but you can still kill with it by subbywan2007-07-29 14:23:02
                                Ah, dang. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 14:27:45
                      Sorry, but wrong. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:43:14

 

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