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Attn: Subbywan by Allandaros2007-07-29 10:54:03
  People hold guns to be this magic device by subbywan2007-07-29 11:23:47
    Guns raise the stakes. by Didactylos 2007-07-29 11:33:38
A fist fight is unlikely to kill anyone outright. A knife fight can be fatal, but the dynamics are different to a gunfight.

No matter how loudly you claim guns are for defense, what you mean is "I can kill you first".

Guns are not merely tools. They are tools designed solely for killing things. Claiming otherwise is unbelievably naive.
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      not really. by subbywan2007-07-29 11:37:43
        What else are they designed for? by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:08:23
          Airguns aren't designed to kill. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 12:14:01
            Now you're being silly. by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:41:21
              They aren't? The only difference is how the by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 12:49:31
                Sorry, I'm not going to by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:58:06
                  How are my questions only relevant by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:05:33
              They are guns and have a riffled barrel. by joecrouse2007-07-29 15:47:08
          Guns were designed for a variety of reasons by subbywan2007-07-29 12:39:24
            Strictly speaking, guns are designed by subbywan2007-07-29 12:43:14
              Everything by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:55:12
                Your post in a nutshell: by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 12:57:29
                  I wonder if this means we can discount TNT by subbywan2007-07-29 12:58:41
                    We can. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:02:58
                      Okay, if you don't want to debate by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:09:32
                        Yes, it is by subbywan2007-07-29 13:14:46
                        Nice. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:15:17
                That is an incorrect assumption on your part by subbywan2007-07-29 12:57:43
                and then we explore the fringe cases by robertltux2007-07-29 17:53:33
            Show me a gun designed to prevent killing. by Didactylos2007-07-29 12:49:01
              Wait ... it's about *your* choice? by subbywan2007-07-29 12:55:20
                So many red herrings! by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:07:18
                  Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:13:02
                  Wait, what? What have you been smoking? (n/t) by krikkert2007-07-29 13:13:59
                  *grins* by subbywan2007-07-29 13:14:07
                    One failure to reason by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:28:37
                      Then you are incredibly naive by subbywan2007-07-29 13:36:23
                        You don't see the point. by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:52:34
                          There is no contrast there by subbywan2007-07-29 13:58:07
                            I believe I have made my point. by Didactylos2007-07-29 14:02:40
                              You have. Post hoc, ergo propter hoc FTW! (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-29 14:04:43
                                Hasn't. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 14:08:58
                                Yeah, but you can still kill with it by subbywan2007-07-29 14:23:02
                                Ah, dang. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 14:27:45
                      Sorry, but wrong. by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 13:43:14
              Cold war worked out VERY well (seeing as by joecrouse2007-07-29 15:48:46
      How do guns do raise the stakes? by CynicalRyan2007-07-29 11:50:21
      I disagree with this by Stuka2007-07-29 13:16:29
        Please do. by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:18:57
          How about this? by subbywan2007-07-29 13:31:45
            Doesn't include fatalities. by Didactylos2007-07-29 13:41:16
              Then you're arguing the wrong argument. by subbywan2007-07-29 13:49:43
          Well, it certainly won't support my argument... by Stuka2007-07-29 16:41:26
      Gun shots are far far less fatal than stabings by joecrouse2007-07-29 15:45:45

 

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