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Ordnance-Corner For UFies by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:45:40
  Why the gun is civilization by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:50:37
    So many things wrong with this -- every paragraph by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:01:19
      That makes absolutely no sense. by esbita2007-07-27 11:09:50
        I am pointing out the erroneous conclusion by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:28:50
          You're missing a critical difference. by leistico2007-07-27 11:39:27
            I'm a bit uncomfortable by MatthewDBA 2007-07-27 11:56:45
with the apparent inference that it is not wrong to kill in self-defense.

Would I kill in self-defense? Maybe. Would I kill in defense of my family? Quite possibly, if that were the only way I saw. Would I consider myself to have done evil? Very definitely. (Would I consider myself justified? Probably.)
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              You should really read the article by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:03:07
                a succinct summary of the issue: by plblark2007-07-27 12:17:53
                  And I can speak from experience by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:24:12
                  It does say much about the adverse effects by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:40:07
                    Hint by plblark2007-07-27 12:43:08
                      Experience has shown that this by Peace_man2007-07-27 13:10:07
                        That is why we limit the circumstances by ManiacJoe2007-07-27 13:19:01
                    Tried and failed by subbywan2007-07-27 12:45:42
                      Germany limited teh number of guns, too. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:47:02
                    There is no evidence for this by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 12:47:31
                      It is impossible. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:50:06
                        I didn't ask you :P by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 12:54:45
                          Doesn't keep me from answering. :P by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:59:28
                            Oh I know it's impossible by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:08:00
                              A gun doesn't even require metal to work. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:10:08
                                Wodden guns shouldn't last long enough by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:13:30
                                If it is too expensive to get a gun, a criminal by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:15:59
                                No no 'guns are bad' by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:23:13
                                Ever read the Nightwatch novels by Pratchett? by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:27:18
                                Hasn't everyone :) (n/t) by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:34:25
                                My brother hasn't. ;) (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:39:21
                                Funny how it touches from both directions. by vetitice2007-07-27 15:50:50
                      As you said: No effect on violence. by Peace_man2007-07-27 13:13:25
                        Back that up with numbers, please. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:16:41
                        Does not follow by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:19:42
                        Once again your abuse of 'logic' fails by DesertRat662007-07-27 15:47:33
              The repercussions are a whole other matter... by leistico2007-07-27 12:10:10
                The reason I feel uncomfortable about by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:44:28
                  You miss the point: by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:48:24
                    My point is by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:50:04
                      And everybody has taken that point. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:51:15
                        Okay. by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:53:38
                          Yes, but someplace else. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:54:55
                            The problem with subthreads by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:56:50
                              Same here. :| (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:00:15

 

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