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Ordnance-Corner For UFies by DesertRat66 2007-07-27 10:45:40
The intent of Ordnance-Corner is to develop, refine, and disseminate those techniques, procedures, and equipment which enable an individual to most effectively employ a firearm in the purpose for which it was intended.

The Four Rules of Firearms Handling
by Jeff Cooper

Rule 1
All guns are always loaded


Rule 2
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not prepared to destroy

You may not wish to destroy it, but you must be clear in your mind that you are quite ready to if you let that muzzle cover the target. To allow a firearm to point at another human being is a deadly threat, and should always be treated as such.

Rule 3
Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target

This we call the Golden Rule because its violation is responsible for about 80 percent of the firearms disasters we read about.

Rule 4
Be sure of your target and what is beyond it

You never shoot at anything until you have positively identified it. You never fire at a shadow, or a sound, or a suspected presence. You shoot only when you know absolutely what you are shooting at and what is beyond it.

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Originally we had added additional rules to these. Recently someone pointed out the following to me from Coopers Comentaries Volume 11, #13:
It is a continuing annoyance to see people messing around with the safety rules. The four that have been developed over the years suffice entirely as now stated. There is no need for more, and we really cannot get by with fewer. However, some half-educated enthusiasts keep trying to make up a new set, or to add or subtract, which does nothing but serve to confuse matters. A major point of issue is Rule 1, "All guns are always loaded." There are people who insist that we cannot use this because it is not precisely true. Some guns are sometimes unloaded. These folks maintain that the rule should read that one should always treat all guns as if they were loaded. The trouble here is the "as if," which leads to the notion that the instrument at hand may actually not be loaded. This leads to disaster, yet we hear it all the time. Sometimes it appears we become so obsessed with the ephemeral goal of safety that we lose sight of the purpose of the exercise. Safety is not first. Safety is second. Victory (or success) is first.
Therefore instead we add the following precautions.
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Additional precautions by DesertRat66 and UFie readers of Ordnance-Corner:

Precaution #1
Be sure your guns are never accessible to unauthorized or untrained individuals


Precaution #2(The Dick Cheney Rule)
Alcohol and Guns in any quantity DO NOT mix
If you take even a sip of an alcoholic bevereage your are done handling firearms for the day. If you wake up with a hangover DO NOT handle firearms. Firearms are extremely dangerous devices where even a millisecond of inattention can get someone killed or seriously injured.

"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." - Professor Bernardo de la Paz in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, by Robert A. Heinlein

Si vis Pacem, para Bellum
[ Reply ]
  OCBOTW by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:48:33
    She really is a sweetheart. by leistico2007-07-27 11:15:27
  The 4 Bore returns to the hunt by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:49:24
    I bet that thing is painfull to shoot. (n/t) by RetiQlum22007-07-27 12:53:03
      I'd LOVE to find out! (n/t) by DesertRat662007-07-27 13:16:17
  Why the gun is civilization by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:50:37
    There is one caveat to that by subbywan2007-07-27 10:55:39
      All things being equal you'd be right by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:03:17
        Only within certain, limited, conditions. by subbywan2007-07-27 11:07:07
          You'd be surprised by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:08:39
            He was walking home after going to the by subbywan2007-07-27 11:09:11
              Should've gone in the front door? ;-) (n/t) by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:10:12
                Why ? by aix tom2007-07-27 11:11:26
                That's how he gets to the front door :) (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-27 11:12:21
                  Front door in the alleyway? by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:13:14
                    Nope ... he was just passing through it by subbywan2007-07-27 11:18:29
                      Long block, or slow walker? :-) (n/t) by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:25:10
                        Both. Neither :P (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-27 11:26:44
                          Hmm. So he's a long slow block walker? (n/t) by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:28:49
                            Yes, and no :P (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-27 11:31:28
              In that case by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:32:58
                Not at all by subbywan2007-07-27 11:35:08
                  Only one thing by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:39:12
                    Still bad assumptions on your part by subbywan2007-07-27 11:42:11
                      Man has to become a shadow warrior by veran2007-07-27 12:06:49
                        exactly. by subbywan2007-07-27 12:14:45
                          Correct by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:19:11
                            look at what you've stated: by subbywan2007-07-27 12:23:29
                              Which is what I've said from the start (n/t) by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:25:16
                                That may have been what you intended, but it's not by subbywan2007-07-27 12:31:51
                                Step back a bit further by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:34:17
                                No, not very by subbywan2007-07-27 12:43:50
                                There is that assumption by DesertRat662007-07-27 13:02:06
                                And even then, it may still not be enough by subbywan2007-07-27 13:03:36
                                Yep -- Have to live it for it to work. by Twitchh2007-07-27 17:02:52
        And the likelihood of that happening by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:07:49
          Still, crunching the numbers I have been given by veran2007-07-27 12:09:08
          Numbers don't always mean all that much by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:12:15
            That's possible by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:20:14
              Depends on how you define marksman by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:28:02
                In terms of positioning and supplies by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:39:23
                  Not sure exactly what you mean by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:55:48
                    Bear in mind too, by subbywan2007-07-27 12:58:50
                      I don't view him as an exception by DesertRat662007-07-27 13:04:05
                        Doesn't matter. by subbywan2007-07-27 13:06:48
                        A guy I sometimes work with was career Marine. by RetiQlum22007-07-27 13:27:33
                          That is 'Nam, that is war by veran2007-07-27 13:39:23
                            Armed encounters of any type by DesertRat662007-07-27 15:57:28
                              But when being held up at kwikimart, by veran2007-07-27 16:07:17
              the chances of moi, civilian dude, by veran2007-07-27 13:35:08
        question on the whole Gun V knife thing by robertltux2007-07-27 12:49:01
          I've heard that a human can cover 21 feet in a by PsychoI3oy2007-07-27 12:56:38
            so don't draw by veran2007-07-27 13:40:37
              That would be most commonly by ManiacJoe2007-07-27 15:23:09
                At least it's not in your belt... (n/t) by veran2007-07-27 15:30:45
          Yes, it is known as the Tueller Drill by DesertRat662007-07-27 13:27:07
    So many things wrong with this -- every paragraph by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:01:19
      That makes absolutely no sense. by esbita2007-07-27 11:09:50
        I am pointing out the erroneous conclusion by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:28:50
          False assumption by subbywan2007-07-27 11:31:12
          You're missing a critical difference. by leistico2007-07-27 11:39:27
            Thanks, you've summed it up. (n/t) by esbita2007-07-27 11:45:06
            They are equal in that they both harm someone. by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:46:41
              You're ignoring degree. (n/t) by esbita2007-07-27 11:48:21
                I'm not certain *degree* is the difference. by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:03:10
                  Degree *is* a difference. by esbita2007-07-27 12:07:42
                    Good by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:09:10
                      That is your choice, and I respect that. by esbita2007-07-27 12:10:55
                        And also with you :-) by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:13:46
              You advocate a nanny-state by subbywan2007-07-27 11:48:22
                You call it nanny-state. I call it by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:51:17
                  Need a shovel to move that goalpost? (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 11:54:28
                  Yes. by subbywan2007-07-27 11:54:44
                    OK, smart guy. What exactly is it that defines by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:57:31
                      American Heritage Dictionary? by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:00:53
                        Don't seen anything in there about being nice ... (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-27 12:01:48
                          Nor about governments. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:03:02
                        Do you agree that record keeping and by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:02:53
                          Why does that purpose have to be by subbywan2007-07-27 12:03:54
                            Nice ........ by aix tom2007-07-27 12:06:22
                              It never was :P by subbywan2007-07-27 12:07:32
                            I asked whether he agreed with the by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:07:35
                              You don't HAVE to agree. by subbywan2007-07-27 12:09:07
                                I asked if he agreed with it. I'll ask you the sam by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:17:25
                                Again, you're operation on a flawed idea of by subbywan2007-07-27 12:20:31
                                What is "pinnacle of civilization"? by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:21:19
                                Civilization has a pinnacle? by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:22:59
                                Fundamental question for you, Peace... by leistico2007-07-27 12:23:58
                                I'm certainly capable of changing my by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:32:22
                                Funny, how a source was provided. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:34:26
                              What's your definition then? by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:09:31
                              I agree with that definition, yes. by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:13:08
                                I think he is using the 'european' version by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 12:24:56
                                That's History. 'mericans are short-sighted in by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:27:39
                            The Aztecs come to mind, for example. by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:07:40
                          Nice try. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:04:00
                          "Red tape" by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:06:03
                            Is that then what you consider the measure by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:09:41
                              He already gave you the definition. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:11:52
                              You appeared to be proposing by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:16:29
                            Red tape is what happens with nannystates by subbywan2007-07-27 12:10:56
                      What defines "pornography"? by subbywan2007-07-27 12:00:56
                        Let's try a different direction then. by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:06:30
                          Care to provide answers? (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:08:23
                          *hands you an mp3 player in recording mode* by esbita2007-07-27 12:10:09
                            There's NEVER a point by SnArL2007-07-27 12:33:14
                              Is that like: by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:37:25
                                Yup. Thank you Baldrick. by SnArL2007-07-27 12:49:49
                                I have a computer network all around me. by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:52:12
                                :D (n/t) by SnArL2007-07-27 12:54:17
                          Civilization has a purpose? by subbywan2007-07-27 12:13:19
                            Kind of like by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:17:28
                            Civilization is a goal worth aiming for. by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:25:09
                              Why is that goal worth aiming for? by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 12:29:27
                              You first. by esbita2007-07-27 12:31:02
                                But not doing so makes it SO much easier to move by SnArL2007-07-27 12:34:35
                              I don't know if I can name a specific culture by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:36:14
                                One problem with that: by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:42:22
                              So now you advocate feudalism? by subbywan2007-07-27 12:37:30
                  What you call civilization has repeatedly shown by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:56:02
                    Only if the assumptions for the syllogism are by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:01:19
                      But how can you be sure both are correct? by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:05:58
                        Yes, it has been. During the medical examination by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:06:56
                          wouldn't a draft by subbywan2007-07-27 12:16:22
                            Not if the nurse is eye candy. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:17:32
                              *resolutely makes no comment whatsoever* by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:21:14
                                Well, she was. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:22:04
                    I think you have misunderstood what I call by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:14:59
                      Subby put it nicely. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:16:59
                        No, unwilling. by esbita2007-07-27 12:24:14
                          Point taken. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:26:08
                      Perhaps if we all knew what your definition of by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:41:34
                      You know what MY goal is? What *I* aim for? by SnArL2007-07-27 12:47:02
                        That's just silly! by Peace_man2007-07-27 13:06:52
                          No harder than me being able to fly by SnArL2007-07-27 13:19:06
                  And I call it faschism by veran2007-07-27 15:33:02
              My valuation of human life... by leistico2007-07-27 12:18:00
            I'm a bit uncomfortable by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:56:45
              You should really read the article by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:03:07
                a succinct summary of the issue: by plblark2007-07-27 12:17:53
                  And I can speak from experience by DesertRat662007-07-27 12:24:12
                  It does say much about the adverse effects by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:40:07
                    Hint by plblark2007-07-27 12:43:08
                      Experience has shown that this by Peace_man2007-07-27 13:10:07
                        That is why we limit the circumstances by ManiacJoe2007-07-27 13:19:01
                    Tried and failed by subbywan2007-07-27 12:45:42
                      Germany limited teh number of guns, too. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:47:02
                    There is no evidence for this by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 12:47:31
                      It is impossible. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:50:06
                        I didn't ask you :P by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 12:54:45
                          Doesn't keep me from answering. :P by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:59:28
                            Oh I know it's impossible by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:08:00
                              A gun doesn't even require metal to work. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:10:08
                                Wodden guns shouldn't last long enough by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:13:30
                                If it is too expensive to get a gun, a criminal by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:15:59
                                No no 'guns are bad' by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:23:13
                                Ever read the Nightwatch novels by Pratchett? by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:27:18
                                Hasn't everyone :) (n/t) by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:34:25
                                My brother hasn't. ;) (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:39:21
                                Funny how it touches from both directions. by vetitice2007-07-27 15:50:50
                      As you said: No effect on violence. by Peace_man2007-07-27 13:13:25
                        Back that up with numbers, please. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:16:41
                        Does not follow by hyzenthlay2007-07-27 13:19:42
                        Once again your abuse of 'logic' fails by DesertRat662007-07-27 15:47:33
              The repercussions are a whole other matter... by leistico2007-07-27 12:10:10
                The reason I feel uncomfortable about by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:44:28
                  You miss the point: by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:48:24
                    My point is by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:50:04
                      And everybody has taken that point. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:51:15
                        Okay. by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:53:38
                          Yes, but someplace else. by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 12:54:55
                            The problem with subthreads by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 12:56:50
                              Same here. :| (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:00:15
      Please, do tell by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:19:47
      Kinda gives the phrase 'F-Bomb' a whole 'nother by Havoc2007-07-27 13:27:47
  Three types of Gunnies by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:51:57
    Put me in the first category. :-) (n/t) by feng_li2007-07-27 11:59:38
  The school to attend when you need to kill someone by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:54:16
  The myth of the “power of life and death” by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:55:24
    I think the sentence by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:05:51
      Interesting by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:20:53
        They have no such power by MatthewDBA2007-07-27 11:24:20
          I'd say they do have that power by subbywan2007-07-27 11:26:25
            Yup. by SnArL2007-07-27 11:30:56
            But only those so inclined to begin with by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:31:24
              To a large degree, yes. The question is by subbywan2007-07-27 11:32:32
                And you can bet your sweet bippy by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:34:07
                  Why not? by subbywan2007-07-27 11:36:07
                    Then they would have been influenced by by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:38:02
                      Influenced by both. by subbywan2007-07-27 11:43:53
                        You mixed up terms by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:49:44
                          Nope. Terms not mixed by subbywan2007-07-27 11:52:52
                            Not only preposterous. by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:55:17
                              doesn't make it wrong though by subbywan2007-07-27 11:57:02
                              I dare you to back that up with a quote by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:59:44
            Inanimate objects cannot act on their own. by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:37:32
              No one suggested the objects were acting on their by subbywan2007-07-27 11:39:54
                Taking that attitude to extremes, look by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:49:54
                  Nope. by subbywan2007-07-27 11:55:42
                    I take it that you would give people the by Peace_man2007-07-27 12:01:14
                      Give it to them? no by subbywan2007-07-27 12:03:02
                        If you could only do one of two things: by Peace_man2007-07-27 13:00:25
                          Give it to everyone. (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-27 13:02:41
        Since time immemorial by subbywan2007-07-27 11:25:30
          And locks. by SnArL2007-07-27 11:32:06
            not at all. by subbywan2007-07-27 11:33:28
              Actually what I have heard, and always use is by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:40:26
                If they're honest, they'd respect a sign by subbywan2007-07-27 11:45:06
                  Yes, but that would not even slow down by Peace_man2007-07-27 11:53:20
                    You can excuse anything by subbywan2007-07-27 11:59:00
  Canada's Gun Registry has not made anyone safer by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:56:18
  UK has a crime problem by DesertRat662007-07-27 10:59:37
    Woah, woah, woah, WOAH! by SnArL2007-07-27 11:26:37
      Dunno by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:36:18
        It struck me as VERY odd. by SnArL2007-07-27 11:50:24
          Quick someone call PETSF!!! by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:52:01
            That TOTALLY made me LOL! (n/t) by SnArL2007-07-27 12:00:12
  Woman gets restraining order, and then gets shot by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:00:26
    Absolutely.... by Twitchh2007-07-27 21:35:57
  Thoughts on DSArms choice? by Twitchh2007-07-27 11:13:39
    Actually neither by DesertRat662007-07-27 11:28:22
      Ooooh! Exactly what I was looking for! by Twitchh2007-07-27 16:56:12
        Also look at the PTR-91s from JLD Enterprises by DesertRat662007-07-27 18:23:15
    the one that fires bullets? by veran2007-07-27 15:55:58
    This one! by veran2007-07-27 16:01:41
  My thought on "Gun Control" by aix tom2007-07-27 12:33:09
    Personally, I think a waiting period is good by SnArL2007-07-27 13:13:59
      There are drawbacks to waiting periods by DesertRat662007-07-27 15:56:11
  Civilization: Too many threads want the by Peace_man2007-07-27 13:16:16
    Not "the definition". Your definition. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-27 13:17:43

 

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