| Ordnance-Corner For UFies |
by DesertRat66 |
2007-07-27 10:45:40 |
The intent of Ordnance-Corner is to develop, refine, and disseminate those techniques, procedures, and equipment which enable an individual to most effectively employ a firearm in the purpose for which it was intended.
The Four Rules of Firearms Handling
by Jeff Cooper
Rule 1
All guns are always loaded
Rule 2
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not prepared to destroy
You may not wish to destroy it, but you must be clear in your mind that you are quite ready to if you let that muzzle cover the target. To allow a firearm to point at another human being is a deadly threat, and should always be treated as such.
Rule 3 Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target
This we call the Golden Rule because its violation is responsible for about 80 percent of the firearms disasters we read about.
Rule 4 Be sure of your target and what is beyond it
You never shoot at anything until you have positively identified it. You never fire at a shadow, or a sound, or a suspected presence. You shoot only when you know absolutely what you are shooting at and what is beyond it.
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Originally we had added additional rules to these. Recently someone pointed out the following to me from Coopers Comentaries Volume 11, #13:
It is a continuing annoyance to see people messing around with the safety rules. The four that have been developed over the years suffice entirely as now stated. There is no need for more, and we really cannot get by with fewer. However, some half-educated enthusiasts keep trying to make up a new set, or to add or subtract, which does nothing but serve to confuse matters. A major point of issue is Rule 1, "All guns are always loaded." There are people who insist that we cannot use this because it is not precisely true. Some guns are sometimes unloaded. These folks maintain that the rule should read that one should always treat all guns as if they were loaded. The trouble here is the "as if," which leads to the notion that the instrument at hand may actually not be loaded. This leads to disaster, yet we hear it all the time. Sometimes it appears we become so obsessed with the ephemeral goal of safety that we lose sight of the purpose of the exercise. Safety is not first. Safety is second. Victory (or success) is first.
Therefore instead we add the following precautions.
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Additional precautions by DesertRat66 and UFie readers of Ordnance-Corner:
Precaution #1 Be sure your guns are never accessible to unauthorized or untrained individuals
Precaution #2(The Dick Cheney Rule)
Alcohol and Guns in any quantity DO NOT mix
If you take even a sip of an alcoholic bevereage your are done handling firearms for the day. If you wake up with a hangover DO NOT handle firearms. Firearms are extremely dangerous devices where even a millisecond of inattention can get someone killed or seriously injured.
"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him." - Professor Bernardo de la Paz in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, by Robert A. Heinlein
Si vis Pacem, para Bellum |
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OCBOTW | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:48:33 |
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She really is a sweetheart. | by leistico | 2007-07-27 11:15:27 |
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The 4 Bore returns to the hunt | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:49:24 |
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I bet that thing is painfull to shoot. (n/t) | by RetiQlum2 | 2007-07-27 12:53:03 |
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I'd LOVE to find out! (n/t) | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 13:16:17 |
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Why the gun is civilization | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:50:37 |
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There is one caveat to that | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 10:55:39 |
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All things being equal you'd be right | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:03:17 |
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Only within certain, limited, conditions. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:07:07 |
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You'd be surprised | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:08:39 |
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He was walking home after going to the | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:09:11 |
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Should've gone in the front door? ;-) (n/t) | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:10:12 |
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Why ? | by aix tom | 2007-07-27 11:11:26 |
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That's how he gets to the front door :) (n/t) | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:12:21 |
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Front door in the alleyway? | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:13:14 |
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Nope ... he was just passing through it | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:18:29 |
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Long block, or slow walker? :-) (n/t) | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:25:10 |
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Both. Neither :P (n/t) | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:26:44 |
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Hmm. So he's a long slow block walker? (n/t) | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:28:49 |
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Yes, and no :P (n/t) | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:31:28 |
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In that case | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:32:58 |
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Not at all | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:35:08 |
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Only one thing | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:39:12 |
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Still bad assumptions on your part | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:42:11 |
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Man has to become a shadow warrior | by veran | 2007-07-27 12:06:49 |
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exactly. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:14:45 |
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Correct | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:19:11 |
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look at what you've stated: | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:23:29 |
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Which is what I've said from the start (n/t) | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:25:16 |
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That may have been what you intended, but it's not | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:31:51 |
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Step back a bit further | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:34:17 |
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No, not very | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:43:50 |
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There is that assumption | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 13:02:06 |
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And even then, it may still not be enough | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 13:03:36 |
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Yep -- Have to live it for it to work. | by Twitchh | 2007-07-27 17:02:52 |
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And the likelihood of that happening | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:07:49 |
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Still, crunching the numbers I have been given | by veran | 2007-07-27 12:09:08 |
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Numbers don't always mean all that much | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:12:15 |
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That's possible | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:20:14 |
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Depends on how you define marksman | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:28:02 |
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In terms of positioning and supplies | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:39:23 |
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Not sure exactly what you mean | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:55:48 |
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Bear in mind too, | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:58:50 |
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I don't view him as an exception | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 13:04:05 |
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Doesn't matter. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 13:06:48 |
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A guy I sometimes work with was career Marine. | by RetiQlum2 | 2007-07-27 13:27:33 |
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That is 'Nam, that is war | by veran | 2007-07-27 13:39:23 |
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Armed encounters of any type | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 15:57:28 |
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But when being held up at kwikimart, | by veran | 2007-07-27 16:07:17 |
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the chances of moi, civilian dude, | by veran | 2007-07-27 13:35:08 |
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question on the whole Gun V knife thing | by robertltux | 2007-07-27 12:49:01 |
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I've heard that a human can cover 21 feet in a | by PsychoI3oy | 2007-07-27 12:56:38 |
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so don't draw | by veran | 2007-07-27 13:40:37 |
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That would be most commonly | by ManiacJoe | 2007-07-27 15:23:09 |
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At least it's not in your belt... (n/t) | by veran | 2007-07-27 15:30:45 |
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Yes, it is known as the Tueller Drill | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 13:27:07 |
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So many things wrong with this -- every paragraph | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:01:19 |
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That makes absolutely no sense. | by esbita | 2007-07-27 11:09:50 |
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I am pointing out the erroneous conclusion | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:28:50 |
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False assumption | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:31:12 |
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You're missing a critical difference. | by leistico | 2007-07-27 11:39:27 |
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Thanks, you've summed it up. (n/t) | by esbita | 2007-07-27 11:45:06 |
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They are equal in that they both harm someone. | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:46:41 |
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You're ignoring degree. (n/t) | by esbita | 2007-07-27 11:48:21 |
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I'm not certain *degree* is the difference. | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:03:10 |
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Degree *is* a difference. | by esbita | 2007-07-27 12:07:42 |
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Good | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:09:10 |
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That is your choice, and I respect that. | by esbita | 2007-07-27 12:10:55 |
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And also with you :-) | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:13:46 |
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You advocate a nanny-state | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:48:22 |
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You call it nanny-state. I call it | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:51:17 |
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Need a shovel to move that goalpost? (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 11:54:28 |
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Yes. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:54:44 |
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OK, smart guy. What exactly is it that defines | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:57:31 |
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American Heritage Dictionary? | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:00:53 |
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Don't seen anything in there about being nice ... (n/t) | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:01:48 |
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Nor about governments. (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:03:02 |
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Do you agree that record keeping and | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:02:53 |
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Why does that purpose have to be | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:03:54 |
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Nice ........ | by aix tom | 2007-07-27 12:06:22 |
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It never was :P | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:07:32 |
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I asked whether he agreed with the | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:07:35 |
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You don't HAVE to agree. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:09:07 |
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I asked if he agreed with it. I'll ask you the sam | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:17:25 |
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Again, you're operation on a flawed idea of | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:20:31 |
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What is "pinnacle of civilization"? | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:21:19 |
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Civilization has a pinnacle? | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:22:59 |
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Fundamental question for you, Peace... | by leistico | 2007-07-27 12:23:58 |
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I'm certainly capable of changing my | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:32:22 |
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Funny, how a source was provided. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:34:26 |
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What's your definition then? | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:09:31 |
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I agree with that definition, yes. | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:13:08 |
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I think he is using the 'european' version | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 12:24:56 |
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That's History. 'mericans are short-sighted in | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:27:39 |
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The Aztecs come to mind, for example. | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:07:40 |
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Nice try. (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:04:00 |
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"Red tape" | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:06:03 |
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Is that then what you consider the measure | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:09:41 |
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He already gave you the definition. (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:11:52 |
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You appeared to be proposing | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:16:29 |
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Red tape is what happens with nannystates | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:10:56 |
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What defines "pornography"? | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:00:56 |
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Let's try a different direction then. | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:06:30 |
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Care to provide answers? (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:08:23 |
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*hands you an mp3 player in recording mode* | by esbita | 2007-07-27 12:10:09 |
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There's NEVER a point | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 12:33:14 |
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Is that like: | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:37:25 |
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Yup. Thank you Baldrick. | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 12:49:49 |
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I have a computer network all around me. | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:52:12 |
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:D (n/t) | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 12:54:17 |
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Civilization has a purpose? | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:13:19 |
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Kind of like | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:17:28 |
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Civilization is a goal worth aiming for. | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:25:09 |
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Why is that goal worth aiming for? | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 12:29:27 |
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You first. | by esbita | 2007-07-27 12:31:02 |
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But not doing so makes it SO much easier to move | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 12:34:35 |
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I don't know if I can name a specific culture | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:36:14 |
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One problem with that: | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:42:22 |
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So now you advocate feudalism? | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:37:30 |
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What you call civilization has repeatedly shown | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:56:02 |
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Only if the assumptions for the syllogism are | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:01:19 |
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But how can you be sure both are correct? | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:05:58 |
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Yes, it has been. During the medical examination | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:06:56 |
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wouldn't a draft | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:16:22 |
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Not if the nurse is eye candy. (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:17:32 |
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*resolutely makes no comment whatsoever* | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:21:14 |
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Well, she was. (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:22:04 |
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I think you have misunderstood what I call | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:14:59 |
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Subby put it nicely. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:16:59 |
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No, unwilling. | by esbita | 2007-07-27 12:24:14 |
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Point taken. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:26:08 |
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Perhaps if we all knew what your definition of | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:41:34 |
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You know what MY goal is? What *I* aim for? | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 12:47:02 |
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That's just silly! | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 13:06:52 |
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No harder than me being able to fly | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 13:19:06 |
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And I call it faschism | by veran | 2007-07-27 15:33:02 |
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My valuation of human life... | by leistico | 2007-07-27 12:18:00 |
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I'm a bit uncomfortable | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:56:45 |
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You should really read the article | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:03:07 |
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a succinct summary of the issue: | by plblark | 2007-07-27 12:17:53 |
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And I can speak from experience | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 12:24:12 |
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It does say much about the adverse effects | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:40:07 |
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Hint | by plblark | 2007-07-27 12:43:08 |
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Experience has shown that this | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 13:10:07 |
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That is why we limit the circumstances | by ManiacJoe | 2007-07-27 13:19:01 |
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Tried and failed | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:45:42 |
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Germany limited teh number of guns, too. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:47:02 |
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There is no evidence for this | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 12:47:31 |
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It is impossible. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:50:06 |
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I didn't ask you :P | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 12:54:45 |
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Doesn't keep me from answering. :P | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:59:28 |
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Oh I know it's impossible | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 13:08:00 |
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A gun doesn't even require metal to work. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 13:10:08 |
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Wodden guns shouldn't last long enough | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 13:13:30 |
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If it is too expensive to get a gun, a criminal | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 13:15:59 |
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No no 'guns are bad' | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 13:23:13 |
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Ever read the Nightwatch novels by Pratchett? | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 13:27:18 |
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Hasn't everyone :) (n/t) | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 13:34:25 |
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My brother hasn't. ;) (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 13:39:21 |
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Funny how it touches from both directions. | by vetitice | 2007-07-27 15:50:50 |
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As you said: No effect on violence. | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 13:13:25 |
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Back that up with numbers, please. (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 13:16:41 |
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Does not follow | by hyzenthlay | 2007-07-27 13:19:42 |
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Once again your abuse of 'logic' fails | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 15:47:33 |
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The repercussions are a whole other matter... | by leistico | 2007-07-27 12:10:10 |
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The reason I feel uncomfortable about | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:44:28 |
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You miss the point: | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:48:24 |
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My point is | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:50:04 |
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And everybody has taken that point. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:51:15 |
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Okay. | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:53:38 |
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Yes, but someplace else. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 12:54:55 |
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The problem with subthreads | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 12:56:50 |
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Same here. :| (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 13:00:15 |
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Please, do tell | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:19:47 |
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Kinda gives the phrase 'F-Bomb' a whole 'nother | by Havoc | 2007-07-27 13:27:47 |
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Three types of Gunnies | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:51:57 |
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Put me in the first category. :-) (n/t) | by feng_li | 2007-07-27 11:59:38 |
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The school to attend when you need to kill someone | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:54:16 |
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The myth of the “power of life and death” | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:55:24 |
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I think the sentence | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:05:51 |
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Interesting | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:20:53 |
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They have no such power | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-27 11:24:20 |
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I'd say they do have that power | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:26:25 |
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Yup. | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 11:30:56 |
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But only those so inclined to begin with | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:31:24 |
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To a large degree, yes. The question is | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:32:32 |
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And you can bet your sweet bippy | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:34:07 |
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Why not? | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:36:07 |
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Then they would have been influenced by | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:38:02 |
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Influenced by both. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:43:53 |
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You mixed up terms | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:49:44 |
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Nope. Terms not mixed | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:52:52 |
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Not only preposterous. | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:55:17 |
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doesn't make it wrong though | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:57:02 |
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I dare you to back that up with a quote | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:59:44 |
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Inanimate objects cannot act on their own. | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:37:32 |
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No one suggested the objects were acting on their | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:39:54 |
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Taking that attitude to extremes, look | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:49:54 |
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Nope. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:55:42 |
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I take it that you would give people the | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 12:01:14 |
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Give it to them? no | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 12:03:02 |
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If you could only do one of two things: | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 13:00:25 |
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Give it to everyone. (n/t) | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 13:02:41 |
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Since time immemorial | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:25:30 |
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And locks. | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 11:32:06 |
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not at all. | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:33:28 |
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Actually what I have heard, and always use is | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:40:26 |
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If they're honest, they'd respect a sign | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:45:06 |
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Yes, but that would not even slow down | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 11:53:20 |
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You can excuse anything | by subbywan | 2007-07-27 11:59:00 |
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Canada's Gun Registry has not made anyone safer | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:56:18 |
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UK has a crime problem | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 10:59:37 |
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Woah, woah, woah, WOAH! | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 11:26:37 |
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Dunno | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:36:18 |
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It struck me as VERY odd. | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 11:50:24 |
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Quick someone call PETSF!!! | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:52:01 |
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That TOTALLY made me LOL! (n/t) | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 12:00:12 |
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Woman gets restraining order, and then gets shot | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:00:26 |
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Absolutely.... | by Twitchh | 2007-07-27 21:35:57 |
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Thoughts on DSArms choice? | by Twitchh | 2007-07-27 11:13:39 |
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Actually neither | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 11:28:22 |
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Ooooh! Exactly what I was looking for! | by Twitchh | 2007-07-27 16:56:12 |
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Also look at the PTR-91s from JLD Enterprises | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 18:23:15 |
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the one that fires bullets? | by veran | 2007-07-27 15:55:58 |
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This one! | by veran | 2007-07-27 16:01:41 |
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My thought on "Gun Control" | by aix tom | 2007-07-27 12:33:09 |
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Personally, I think a waiting period is good | by SnArL | 2007-07-27 13:13:59 |
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There are drawbacks to waiting periods | by DesertRat66 | 2007-07-27 15:56:11 |
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Civilization: Too many threads want the | by Peace_man | 2007-07-27 13:16:16 |
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Not "the definition". Your definition. (n/t) | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-27 13:17:43 |