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Thyestean feast in Iraq? by DesertRat662007-07-10 07:23:48
  How DARE we ignore all this by by hadji2007-07-10 07:33:05
    Don't get the news much? (n/t) by DesertRat662007-07-10 07:34:48
      Don't clarify your points much? (n/t) by hadji2007-07-10 07:36:30
        Nevermind, it's not worth it. by hadji2007-07-10 07:43:01
          I figured you at least skimmed headlines by DesertRat662007-07-10 08:25:01
            The question that maybe needs to be asked is, by Peace_man 2007-07-10 08:43:02
why there suddenly is a 'new tribe' in Iraq? From your first link in the TLP:
For many Iraqis, we have morphed from being invaders to occupiers to members of a tribe. I call it the “al Ameriki tribe,” or “tribe America.”
If the US is truly effective in helping, then it should be seen as not just another tribe, but as showing a different way - a way that doesn't see tribes, but individuals. As the article shows, the US military cannot create long-term positive changes by just being another tribe.

Instead, I would like to direct your attention to an article from yesterday's news that recommends arming the Iraqi population. The situation in Iraq is so lawless and barbaric that I actually see guns in every household as a benefit - a necessity for beginning the peace process.

Get rid of that extra tribe that only complicates things and start anew. From the ground up, individual neighbourhoods, families and tribes working together, and eventually forging bonds of respect with other, similar groups, to finally form a nation again based on mutual respect and desire for peace.

[ Reply ]
              That is either an excellent idea or a catastrophic by hadji2007-07-10 08:48:09
                Given the tensions that are there already: by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 08:51:15
                A gun is the equalizer. by Peace_man2007-07-10 08:53:10
                  Nice. Except a gun, and working as a cohesive, by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 08:57:53
                  "Never give a man a gun unless you know by hadji2007-07-10 08:58:10
                    A very valid point. (n/t) by Classic_jon2007-07-10 08:59:07
                    Hmm. I find myself in very unfamiliar territory by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:10:42
                      I doubt you'll get backup here. by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:14:29
                        Well, of course not! by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:17:18
                          How do you know that civilian X by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:20:04
                            Contact local tribal leaders in order to by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:36:24
                              I don't have to show why "my" way is better by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:44:01
                                By saying that what I propose is bad by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:52:43
                                Where did I assert that doing nothing is better? by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:57:49
                                PFB. Now go away or I will taunt you again! (n/t) by Peace_man2007-07-10 10:06:21
                                Hm, rabbit stew tonight.. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 10:12:59
                          The problem is, how do you differentiate between by hadji2007-07-10 09:27:53
                            Stop giving me my favourite arguments back! by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:44:29
                              Or it would just result in the bloodiest by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:47:26
                                Actually, sunnis and shiites used to get along. by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:59:39
                                Ya, they get along. by lheggland2007-07-10 10:28:53
                                Read much? by Peace_man2007-07-10 10:41:08
                                In Iraq? by lheggland2007-07-10 10:58:35
                                That reply does not indicate any by Peace_man2007-07-10 11:17:56
                                I did read them. by lheggland2007-07-10 11:27:15
                                I choose to read the articles I linked to. by Peace_man2007-07-10 12:06:37
                            You don't by DesertRat662007-07-10 09:47:11
                      The point is moot by DesertRat662007-07-10 09:19:01
              What is so bad about them viewing the by Classic_jon2007-07-10 08:57:30
                Most households in Iraq are already armed by DesertRat662007-07-10 09:03:38
                Being seen as just another tribe does not by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:08:12
                  I think you are bypassing the meat of the point by Classic_jon2007-07-10 09:19:06
                    If anything, it shows that the troops by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:22:59
                    How accepted can they be, really? by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:31:05
                      How do you know that the acceptance by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:35:12
                        His story is very well known. by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:37:41
                          Yes, it is unusual to get all the Arabian tribes by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:45:26
                      You are seeing part of what the point is by Classic_jon2007-07-10 09:46:25
                        That is a good description of another way by Peace_man2007-07-10 10:03:11

 

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