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Thyestean feast in Iraq? by DesertRat662007-07-10 07:23:48
  How DARE we ignore all this by by hadji 2007-07-10 07:33:05
sending troops to Iraq, Aghanistan, economically and diplomatically isolating Iran and Syria, trying to negotiate peace between Israel and Palestine, refusing aid to Palestine when they elected Hamas as their government, aiding Israel when they went hunting for Hezb'Allah in Lebanon . . .

The "absolute silence of the West" is deafening.

[ Reply ]
    Don't get the news much? (n/t) by DesertRat662007-07-10 07:34:48
      Don't clarify your points much? (n/t) by hadji2007-07-10 07:36:30
        Nevermind, it's not worth it. by hadji2007-07-10 07:43:01
          I figured you at least skimmed headlines by DesertRat662007-07-10 08:25:01
            That post is useless. by hadji2007-07-10 08:36:21
              Am thinking the "absolute silence..." by esbita2007-07-10 09:33:08
                General rule of debating: by AndyA2007-07-10 09:36:52
                  Another general rule of debating: by esbita2007-07-10 09:41:46
                Did not read the link. by hadji2007-07-10 09:47:01
                  How is it not specific? by DesertRat662007-07-10 09:50:05
                    I am, in fact, hearing quite a lot about it. by hadji2007-07-10 09:56:17
                  If you won't read the link, don't debate. by esbita2007-07-10 09:54:38
                    You're right. by hadji2007-07-10 10:04:09
                      PFB. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 10:06:55
                        Yes, and now it really is time for me to go. (n/t) by hadji2007-07-10 10:07:50
                The article says by jeff_uk2007-07-10 09:52:05
                  Not that hadji would've known. by esbita2007-07-10 10:02:57
                    Gawd. Now *I'm* being ambiguous. by esbita2007-07-10 10:04:07
                    Yes he could, DR66 quoted that part here..... (n/t) by jeff_uk2007-07-10 10:05:00
                      But no, that's not what DR meant. by hadji2007-07-10 10:06:59
                      Quoted what, where? (n/t) by esbita2007-07-10 10:09:01
                        In the TLP by hadji2007-07-10 10:21:18
                          Read the article. by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 10:31:47
                            But the claim of 'absolute silence' was general, by jeff_uk2007-07-10 10:32:52
                              It puts the quotes into the approproate by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 10:36:41
                          Nice cherry-picking. by esbita2007-07-10 10:32:52
                            There are times when cherry-picking is valid. by hadji2007-07-10 11:33:42
                              Did you apply your skills of scrutiny by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 12:23:37
                                My agenda is to argue the following points. by hadji2007-07-10 12:39:17
                                So, you are after DR66, and not after the article by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 12:43:40
                                To be more precise, I'm after the TLP. by hadji2007-07-10 12:50:08
                                You didn't even read the article you criticize. by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 12:56:48
                                I've read both, and I've replied accordingly. (n/t by hadji2007-07-10 13:10:25
                              Hardly. Without reading the context... by esbita2007-07-10 12:26:21
                                Evening news has a duty to gather ratings. by hadji2007-07-10 12:31:42
                                Will you read the article? by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 12:35:00
                                If a scrap of rhetorical license by esbita2007-07-10 12:41:59
                                Chalk it up as you please. by hadji2007-07-10 12:46:41
                                And what, pray tell, are you teaching here? by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 12:51:54
                                I've read the articles, and I've seen nothing by hadji2007-07-10 13:04:26
                                Oh, and I'm constantly hearing that by hadji2007-07-10 13:09:32
                                To put it as politely as I can: by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 15:04:06
                                Ecellent. Thank you. (n/t) by hadji2007-07-10 15:05:31
                                *ahem* So now, I've read the article. by hadji2007-07-10 13:43:21
                                Others targeted that already. by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 14:01:08
                                I never saw a valid argument against me. by hadji2007-07-10 14:09:27
                                See here. by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 14:17:09
                                Your concession is accepted. (n/t) by hadji2007-07-10 14:25:11
                                Concession? by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 14:40:50
                                See here. by hadji2007-07-10 14:44:06
                                Ah, the latter part. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 14:58:09
                                And have I mentioned that the scrap of by hadji2007-07-10 13:22:11
                                Is there reason to believe that possibly by Peace_man2007-07-10 13:01:15
                                If you look back a few days by DesertRat662007-07-10 13:09:32
                                And in the article states that someone by Peace_man2007-07-10 13:15:02
                                More the general by DesertRat662007-07-10 13:25:45
                                I hear quite a bit about the atrocities by hadji2007-07-10 13:32:24
                                Where from by DesertRat662007-07-10 13:38:22
                                Various sources, but primarily NPR. by hadji2007-07-10 13:58:29
                                You make a perfect counter example by DesertRat662007-07-10 14:17:07
                                I would not dispute the claim of by hadji2007-07-10 14:23:29
                                It is also no new revelation that mainstream by hadji2007-07-10 14:32:56
                                It's also not a new one that by DesertRat662007-07-10 14:50:51
                                "While there may not be 'Absolute Silence' . . ." by hadji2007-07-10 14:54:46
                                You seem to have an unhealthy fascination by Peace_man2007-07-10 13:54:32
                                Having seen what extremists can do up close and by DesertRat662007-07-10 14:03:33
                                Now, that's actually the sorta response I'm lookin by esbita2007-07-10 13:22:49
                                What you seem to be missing is that the summary by hadji2007-07-10 13:29:50
                                You couldn't have "known" that at the time by esbita2007-07-10 13:41:06
                                It was a reasonable guess. And it was right. (n/t by hadji2007-07-10 13:47:51
                                But you might not have been right! and arguing by jeff_uk2007-07-10 14:01:35
                                Kinda like Bush invading Iraq in the first place, by hadji2007-07-10 14:06:24
            The question that maybe needs to be asked is, by Peace_man2007-07-10 08:43:02
              That is either an excellent idea or a catastrophic by hadji2007-07-10 08:48:09
                Given the tensions that are there already: by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 08:51:15
                A gun is the equalizer. by Peace_man2007-07-10 08:53:10
                  Nice. Except a gun, and working as a cohesive, by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 08:57:53
                  "Never give a man a gun unless you know by hadji2007-07-10 08:58:10
                    A very valid point. (n/t) by Classic_jon2007-07-10 08:59:07
                    Hmm. I find myself in very unfamiliar territory by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:10:42
                      I doubt you'll get backup here. by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:14:29
                        Well, of course not! by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:17:18
                          How do you know that civilian X by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:20:04
                            Contact local tribal leaders in order to by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:36:24
                              I don't have to show why "my" way is better by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:44:01
                                By saying that what I propose is bad by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:52:43
                                Where did I assert that doing nothing is better? by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:57:49
                                PFB. Now go away or I will taunt you again! (n/t) by Peace_man2007-07-10 10:06:21
                                Hm, rabbit stew tonight.. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 10:12:59
                          The problem is, how do you differentiate between by hadji2007-07-10 09:27:53
                            Stop giving me my favourite arguments back! by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:44:29
                              Or it would just result in the bloodiest by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:47:26
                                Actually, sunnis and shiites used to get along. by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:59:39
                                Ya, they get along. by lheggland2007-07-10 10:28:53
                                Read much? by Peace_man2007-07-10 10:41:08
                                In Iraq? by lheggland2007-07-10 10:58:35
                                That reply does not indicate any by Peace_man2007-07-10 11:17:56
                                I did read them. by lheggland2007-07-10 11:27:15
                                I choose to read the articles I linked to. by Peace_man2007-07-10 12:06:37
                            You don't by DesertRat662007-07-10 09:47:11
                      The point is moot by DesertRat662007-07-10 09:19:01
              What is so bad about them viewing the by Classic_jon2007-07-10 08:57:30
                Most households in Iraq are already armed by DesertRat662007-07-10 09:03:38
                Being seen as just another tribe does not by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:08:12
                  I think you are bypassing the meat of the point by Classic_jon2007-07-10 09:19:06
                    If anything, it shows that the troops by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:22:59
                    How accepted can they be, really? by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:31:05
                      How do you know that the acceptance by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:35:12
                        His story is very well known. by Peace_man2007-07-10 09:37:41
                          Yes, it is unusual to get all the Arabian tribes by CynicalRyan2007-07-10 09:45:26
                      You are seeing part of what the point is by Classic_jon2007-07-10 09:46:25
                        That is a good description of another way by Peace_man2007-07-10 10:03:11

 

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