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How taxes work. by subbywan2007-07-03 16:24:23
  The dichotomy I would like to see resolved WRT tax by romandas2007-07-03 17:30:32
    How are you 'punishing' the wealthy? by Arachnid 2007-07-03 17:33:56
Ideally, taxation works on a simple principle: A relatively constant percentage of your _disposable_ income is paid in taxes to pay for common services. Your disposable income is your total income less the cost of a basic standard of living, so for people with low incomes, they have little disposable income, and their gross tax rate is low. Those with higher incomes have higher disposable income, so their gross tax rate is higher.

Seems sensible to me.
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      That's presuming flat taxation. by krikkert2007-07-03 17:36:13
        Not at all by Arachnid2007-07-03 17:39:32
          That's awfully presumptuous. by esbita2007-07-03 18:13:09
            The cutoff may be subjective by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:04:47
              Because it's going to vary according to situation. by esbita2007-07-03 19:37:30
                So how does tax fit in with your worldview at all? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:02:57
                  Read my other responses in this thread. by esbita2007-07-03 20:54:12
                    We seem to be at broad agreement, actually. by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:58:34
                      I just don't agree with the arguments... by esbita2007-07-03 21:04:14
      Taxing someone higher than someone else by romandas2007-07-03 17:43:14
        Not doing that is punishing the poor by Arachnid2007-07-03 17:55:37
          No, it's being fair. by romandas2007-07-03 18:04:58
            Unless the tax rate is 100% by Arachnid2007-07-03 18:08:51
              They don't, here. by esbita2007-07-03 18:15:43
                They don't what? (n/t) by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:05:26
                  They don't pay any income tax. by esbita2007-07-03 20:48:57
                Yep... by tepidpond2007-07-03 20:22:23
              Actually, the entire monetary system.. by romandas2007-07-03 18:21:41
                Without a government, you don't have a single by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:08:02
                  How is a flat tax *rate* serfdom? by esbita2007-07-03 19:44:06
                    He was also saying that deducting more from those by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:02:18
                      It's simple common sense. by esbita2007-07-03 20:45:40
                        You're not looking at it system-wide. by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:49:34
                          How many of those people... by esbita2007-07-03 20:58:47
                            That's getting perilously close to the 'trickle by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:14:41
                              No argument the trickle-down effect isn't by subbywan2007-07-03 21:18:16
                              Because you've been arguing... by esbita2007-07-03 21:29:18
                                I think our conflict here... by esbita2007-07-03 21:30:19
        Flat tax punishes the poor. by Phoon2007-07-03 17:59:10
          Right, but I don't believe our current system by romandas2007-07-03 18:06:34
          So raise the standard deduction amount. by esbita2007-07-03 18:21:39
            The last part of your statment is what I was by techi8702007-07-03 18:49:21
              All that says is that many people are self-serving by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:09:05
                Welcome to reality and human nature. by esbita2007-07-03 19:54:19
                  And how would we do that? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:00:56
                    but then you've just proven the point ... by subbywan2007-07-03 20:02:42
                      And what point is that? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:06:57
                        but people ARE self-serving. by subbywan2007-07-03 20:08:26
                          So? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:26:48
                            Nope, it's a fool's game and accomplishes nothing. by esbita2007-07-03 20:49:40
                              That's what I meant. (n/t) by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:56:56
                            That's what the TLP is doing: by subbywan2007-07-03 21:02:37
                              Except that what started the whole argument... by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:13:07
                                Ahem. by esbita2007-07-03 21:20:18
                                It's a *simple* analogy by subbywan2007-07-03 21:20:23
                                Just because it's simple doesn't mean it has to be by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:28:21
                                so you're complaining about poor math skills? by subbywan2007-07-03 21:37:42
                                When it invalidates the analogy, yes. (n/t) by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:50:59
                                agreed. But in this case, it doesn't. (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-03 22:47:15
                    Low tax, flate rate, no loopholes. by esbita2007-07-03 20:18:00

 

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