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How taxes work. by subbywan2007-07-03 16:24:23
  The dichotomy I would like to see resolved WRT tax by romandas 2007-07-03 17:30:32
is:

1) Everyone has the right to try to improve their outlook on life via whatever legal means they can. In improving one's outlook, one should be able to keep as much of what one has earned as possible. You earned it, no one else should have a claim to it.

2) As a civilized society, people should not starve for lack of food, water, or go without a least a basic amount of shelter and clothing.

The dilemma as I see it is how can one stick to what's proper (#1) while still providing appropriate levels of resources for #2. I don't agree with the current system of punishing the wealthy for being wealthy, but I don't agree with a system that can leave a capable person out in the cold either. How do we, as a society, allow for the social safety net without allowing abdication of personal responsibility?
[ Reply ]
    How are you 'punishing' the wealthy? by Arachnid2007-07-03 17:33:56
      That's presuming flat taxation. by krikkert2007-07-03 17:36:13
        Not at all by Arachnid2007-07-03 17:39:32
          That's awfully presumptuous. by esbita2007-07-03 18:13:09
            The cutoff may be subjective by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:04:47
              Because it's going to vary according to situation. by esbita2007-07-03 19:37:30
                So how does tax fit in with your worldview at all? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:02:57
                  Read my other responses in this thread. by esbita2007-07-03 20:54:12
                    We seem to be at broad agreement, actually. by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:58:34
                      I just don't agree with the arguments... by esbita2007-07-03 21:04:14
      Taxing someone higher than someone else by romandas2007-07-03 17:43:14
        Not doing that is punishing the poor by Arachnid2007-07-03 17:55:37
          No, it's being fair. by romandas2007-07-03 18:04:58
            Unless the tax rate is 100% by Arachnid2007-07-03 18:08:51
              They don't, here. by esbita2007-07-03 18:15:43
                They don't what? (n/t) by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:05:26
                  They don't pay any income tax. by esbita2007-07-03 20:48:57
                Yep... by tepidpond2007-07-03 20:22:23
              Actually, the entire monetary system.. by romandas2007-07-03 18:21:41
                Without a government, you don't have a single by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:08:02
                  How is a flat tax *rate* serfdom? by esbita2007-07-03 19:44:06
                    He was also saying that deducting more from those by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:02:18
                      It's simple common sense. by esbita2007-07-03 20:45:40
                        You're not looking at it system-wide. by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:49:34
                          How many of those people... by esbita2007-07-03 20:58:47
                            That's getting perilously close to the 'trickle by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:14:41
                              No argument the trickle-down effect isn't by subbywan2007-07-03 21:18:16
                              Because you've been arguing... by esbita2007-07-03 21:29:18
                                I think our conflict here... by esbita2007-07-03 21:30:19
        Flat tax punishes the poor. by Phoon2007-07-03 17:59:10
          Right, but I don't believe our current system by romandas2007-07-03 18:06:34
          So raise the standard deduction amount. by esbita2007-07-03 18:21:39
            The last part of your statment is what I was by techi8702007-07-03 18:49:21
              All that says is that many people are self-serving by Arachnid2007-07-03 19:09:05
                Welcome to reality and human nature. by esbita2007-07-03 19:54:19
                  And how would we do that? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:00:56
                    but then you've just proven the point ... by subbywan2007-07-03 20:02:42
                      And what point is that? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:06:57
                        but people ARE self-serving. by subbywan2007-07-03 20:08:26
                          So? by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:26:48
                            Nope, it's a fool's game and accomplishes nothing. by esbita2007-07-03 20:49:40
                              That's what I meant. (n/t) by Arachnid2007-07-03 20:56:56
                            That's what the TLP is doing: by subbywan2007-07-03 21:02:37
                              Except that what started the whole argument... by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:13:07
                                Ahem. by esbita2007-07-03 21:20:18
                                It's a *simple* analogy by subbywan2007-07-03 21:20:23
                                Just because it's simple doesn't mean it has to be by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:28:21
                                so you're complaining about poor math skills? by subbywan2007-07-03 21:37:42
                                When it invalidates the analogy, yes. (n/t) by Arachnid2007-07-03 21:50:59
                                agreed. But in this case, it doesn't. (n/t) by subbywan2007-07-03 22:47:15
                    Low tax, flate rate, no loopholes. by esbita2007-07-03 20:18:00
    what i would like to see by robertltux2007-07-03 19:21:23

 

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