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Anybody here open to Tarot cards? | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 01:29:06 |
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What force is supposed to act upon the cards? | by jeff_uk | 2007-07-03 01:37:36 |
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Self interpretation. | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 02:05:38 |
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So they're just dead organic matter? | by jeff_uk | 2007-07-03 02:11:40 |
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And yet still... | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 02:38:30 |
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For Enzo: a non-secular perspective | by zeitnot | 2007-07-03 04:10:57 |
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IMO the definition of god | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 04:57:11 |
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here's why. [again, non-secular perspective] | by zeitnot | 2007-07-03 05:08:17 |
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He threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 05:21:12 |
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You're interpreting a metaphor literally | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 05:35:22 |
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God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 05:40:38 |
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Again you're using the word "would" | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 06:04:42 |
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So, I'm using the word "would". | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 06:20:38 |
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If he knows it as it's happening | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 06:30:08 |
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The German saying would equivalent | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 06:39:31 |
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Now I see | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 06:50:58 |
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Not a word, but a saying. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 07:05:16 |
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Again, my interpretation would not | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 07:09:40 |
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No, I didn't refer to God as all-loving. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 07:18:56 |
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God *wants* people to act | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 07:38:20 |
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Yes, you made this clear. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 07:51:39 |
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A few nitpicks | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 08:14:41 |
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A few clarifications: | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 08:28:18 |
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That's a really good question | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 09:07:50 |
| RE language: Yes, it does. |
by CynicalRyan |
2007-07-03 09:35:18 |
Not just in wording. "toadstool" translates as "Giftpilz", which, in turn, translates as "poisonous (Gift-) mushroom (Pilz)" (or "toadstool", if you want :P).
The point you raised is a good one, but doesn't really address my point: How should Adam and Eve develop a concept of "Good" and "Evil" in a perfect world?
And doesn't God's reaction (I'm not using punishment on purpose, to avoid the above discussion) become a tad unjust, when Adam and Eve don't have the concept of "Good vs Evil"? And what about Adam, who was seduced into eating the forbidden fruit (oh, the innuendo..)?
My take is, that God intended to use this test, to finally establish this concept (yes, I'm abandoning my former stance here). To give Adam and Eve the free will to, ultimately, decide to believe in God or not, and to get the greater concept of Good and Evil, and to finally seek understanding of creation and its rules.
In this light, the Fall makes much, much more sense.
(Heh, I'm having a little "Eureka!" moment here. That's why I love this kind of discussion.) |
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You *really really* | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 09:49:24 |
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*notes down books* | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 10:01:23 |
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If you're "not in that habit" | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 10:08:08 |
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Well, I'm too fond of certain pleasures | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 10:10:39 |
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*dares CynicalRyan* | by esbita | 2007-07-03 10:17:07 |
