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Anybody here open to Tarot cards? by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 01:29:06
  What force is supposed to act upon the cards? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 01:37:36
    Self interpretation. by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:05:38
      So they're just dead organic matter? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 02:11:40
        And yet still... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:38:30
          For Enzo: a non-secular perspective by zeitnot2007-07-03 04:10:57
            IMO the definition of god by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 04:57:11
              here's why. [again, non-secular perspective] by zeitnot2007-07-03 05:08:17
                He threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:21:12
                  You're interpreting a metaphor literally by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 05:35:22
                    God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:40:38
                      Again you're using the word "would" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:04:42
                        So, I'm using the word "would". by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:20:38
                          If he knows it as it's happening by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:30:08
                            The German saying would equivalent by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:39:31
                              Now I see by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:50:58
                                Not a word, but a saying. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:05:16
                                Again, my interpretation would not by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:09:40
                                No, I didn't refer to God as all-loving. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:18:56
                                God *wants* people to act by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:38:20
                                Yes, you made this clear. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:51:39
                                A few nitpicks by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:14:41
                                A few clarifications: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:28:18
                                That's a really good question by MatthewDBA 2007-07-03 09:07:50
A free will may need concepts of Good and Evil. I'm not really sure. Different understandings of Good and Evil may be appropriate for different levels of maturity, though; and my feeling that this was a maturity test in the form of a "trust test": God saying "You don't want to eat this - trust me". My mom might have said this to me when I was small (for a poisonous mushroom, let's say). Later as I got into school, she could tell me "That's poisonous." Later still I could learn about neurotoxins and their effects on the nervous system.

One can trust in the knowledge that someone else knows what's good and what's evil, and in the idea that this will be made more clear later. God might have eventually given Adam and Eve the morality equivalent of a biochemistry class, in which they learn what good and evil are, and why, and what the effects are, without going through the actual experience of evil.

God might have been saying, "Trust me, this is poisonous - you'll see why later." Adam and Eve said, "If we eat it, maybe it won't be so bad - and we won't have to just trust what he says to us, because we'll know for ourselves."

Oh, we know all right, now; it wasn't "not so bad" at all; we don't always trust what he says to us anyway (that was the real Fall), and he's now told us that the Forest of Toadstools is off limits.

(And another language question: Does German make a distinction (even just in wording) between "toadstool" and "mushroom"?)
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                                RE language: Yes, it does. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:35:18
                                You *really really* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:49:24
                                *notes down books* by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:01:23
                                If you're "not in that habit" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 10:08:08
                                Well, I'm too fond of certain pleasures by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:10:39
                                *dares CynicalRyan* by esbita2007-07-03 10:17:07

 

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