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Anybody here open to Tarot cards? by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 01:29:06
  What force is supposed to act upon the cards? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 01:37:36
    Self interpretation. by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:05:38
      So they're just dead organic matter? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 02:11:40
        And yet still... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:38:30
          For Enzo: a non-secular perspective by zeitnot2007-07-03 04:10:57
            IMO the definition of god by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 04:57:11
              here's why. [again, non-secular perspective] by zeitnot2007-07-03 05:08:17
                He threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:21:12
                  Ten plagues, each one after the pharaoh refused to by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:27:41
                    Justified homicide and genocide, then. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:38:34
                      It's "Thou shalt not murder". by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:55:16
                        If I were God, I'd have snapped my fingers by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:10:32
                          This gets into some pretty heavy concepts on by esbita2007-07-03 06:25:21
                            Teh concept of free will is lead ad absurdum by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:33:02
                              Pharaoh and his officials... by esbita2007-07-03 06:56:16
                                Yes, but you can safely assume by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:09:10
                                You're making the mistake... by esbita2007-07-03 07:36:33
                                If free will should have any worth: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:43:15
                                Again, judge by the standards of the time. by esbita2007-07-03 07:58:02
                                but the absence of individual rights and by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:13:04
                                But that would have prevented by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:16:36
                                Why? (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:21:19
                                You can't have moral responsibility... by esbita2007-07-03 08:26:08
                                I see. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:36:39
                                The others were only temporary. by esbita 2007-07-03 08:46:25
Notice that the timing of the hail was such that not ALL the crops were destroyed. Made for a lean year, sure, but Egypt wouldn't starve outright.

The blood was nasty, but they were able to dig wells. And you can argue that the Israelites ALSO needed to see the message that God was being serious, here.

Pharaoh DID suffer the consequences of his actions- his people suffered, which was a consequence. He lost his son, also a consequence. But the ethics of the time was that people shared the consequences collectively. Your personal righetousness is secondary; if you fear the Lord, you will repent. If you are persistent in your evil, things get worse for you. The pattern is that he keeps giving chances.
[ Reply ]
                                It's probably the concept of "fear me, by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:56:23
                                Would you feel less uneasy by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:08:40
                                Yes. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:37:57
                                start by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:51:13
                                Great! Thanks. :D (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:02:59

 

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