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Anybody here open to Tarot cards? | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 01:29:06 |
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What force is supposed to act upon the cards? | by jeff_uk | 2007-07-03 01:37:36 |
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Self interpretation. | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 02:05:38 |
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So they're just dead organic matter? | by jeff_uk | 2007-07-03 02:11:40 |
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And yet still... | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 02:38:30 |
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For Enzo: a non-secular perspective | by zeitnot | 2007-07-03 04:10:57 |
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IMO the definition of god | by EnzoMatrix | 2007-07-03 04:57:11 |
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here's why. [again, non-secular perspective] | by zeitnot | 2007-07-03 05:08:17 |
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He threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 05:21:12 |
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You're interpreting a metaphor literally | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 05:35:22 |
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God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 05:40:38 |
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Again you're using the word "would" | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 06:04:42 |
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So, I'm using the word "would". | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 06:20:38 |
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If he knows it as it's happening | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 06:30:08 |
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The German saying would equivalent | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 06:39:31 |
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Now I see | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 06:50:58 |
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Not a word, but a saying. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 07:05:16 |
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Again, my interpretation would not | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 07:09:40 |
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No, I didn't refer to God as all-loving. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 07:18:56 |
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God *wants* people to act | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 07:38:20 |
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by CynicalRyan |
2007-07-03 07:51:39 |
I discuss it as literal truth, for the sake of a clean argument, without a chance for "softening" them. Not nearly as intellectually engaging, IMHO.
Anyway: The difference between consequence and punishment is thin. A punishment is always a consequence of an action, but a consequence isn't always a punishment for an action.
In the case of throwing somebody out of the perfect place (one we will re-attain with proper behavior), is a punishment to enforce a certain behavior. Which, in turn, limits the possibilities of free will, making it a "free will, but.." (if you catch my drift).
On the other hand, I have no clue what a more adequate consequence would've been from God's perspective, but I'm just human. What I can see though is, that the consequence of attaining knowledge were quite dire.
The difficulty I have is, that I cannot see how things could've worked out differently. Maybe God's actions and words were dramatized by later generations, and the intent was "Now you have the knowledge, go out, and apply it". This, of course, is only possible in an imperfect world. And this imperfect world would reinforce the notion of free will, since in these situation decisions matter on more than a philosophical level. |
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A few nitpicks | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 08:14:41 |
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A few clarifications: | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 08:28:18 |
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That's a really good question | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 09:07:50 |
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RE language: Yes, it does. | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 09:35:18 |
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You *really really* | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 09:49:24 |
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*notes down books* | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 10:01:23 |
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If you're "not in that habit" | by MatthewDBA | 2007-07-03 10:08:08 |
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Well, I'm too fond of certain pleasures | by CynicalRyan | 2007-07-03 10:10:39 |
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*dares CynicalRyan* | by esbita | 2007-07-03 10:17:07 |
