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Anybody here open to Tarot cards? by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 01:29:06
  What force is supposed to act upon the cards? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 01:37:36
    Self interpretation. by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:05:38
      So they're just dead organic matter? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 02:11:40
        And yet still... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:38:30
          For Enzo: a non-secular perspective by zeitnot2007-07-03 04:10:57
            IMO the definition of god by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 04:57:11
              here's why. [again, non-secular perspective] by zeitnot2007-07-03 05:08:17
                He threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise. by CynicalRyan 2007-07-03 05:21:12
For an act he knew would happen. Even more, he punished all of their offspring by making the act of eating of the fruit of knowledge the original sin.

God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. He killed each Egyptian first born (okay, he made his henchman do it). He inflicted the seven plagues on Egypt. He turned Lot's wife into a salt pillar while Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed. He made a wager with the devil about Iob's strength in faith. He inflicted the Great flood on Earth, killing every one who couldn't board Noah's ark.

God, in a nutshell, is not good.
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                  Ten plagues, each one after the pharaoh refused to by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:27:41
                    Justified homicide and genocide, then. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:38:34
                      It's "Thou shalt not murder". by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:55:16
                        If I were God, I'd have snapped my fingers by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:10:32
                          With regard to your first sentence *only* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:21:47
                            Who says I have to allow choice when I'm a god? (n (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:44:01
                              What would be the point otherwise? (n/t) by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:53:07
                                Why should there be a point? by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:11:32
                                Point well taken... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:19:52
                                Doesn't have to be boring, either. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:23:12
                                Ref Constantine? :P (n/t) by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:25:52
                                Only saw the movie. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:27:37
                              If you're a god by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:05:30
                                All-loving isn't usually attributed to a god. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:14:01
                                All-loving by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:32:51
                                Alas, this incarantion of God is not all-loving. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:37:49
                          This gets into some pretty heavy concepts on by esbita2007-07-03 06:25:21
                            Teh concept of free will is lead ad absurdum by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:33:02
                              If you were God by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:37:34
                                I would've punished Pharaoh. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:45:57
                                To be nitpicky by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:58:09
                                No. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:07:56
                                The overarching theme of Exodus... by esbita2007-07-03 07:45:39
                                That's the moral of the story, yes. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:57:32
                                The Nile reeking of blood... by esbita2007-07-03 08:04:00
                                True. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:20:47
                              Pharaoh and his officials... by esbita2007-07-03 06:56:16
                                Yes, but you can safely assume by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:09:10
                                You're making the mistake... by esbita2007-07-03 07:36:33
                                If free will should have any worth: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:43:15
                                Again, judge by the standards of the time. by esbita2007-07-03 07:58:02
                                but the absence of individual rights and by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:13:04
                                But that would have prevented by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:16:36
                                Why? (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:21:19
                                You can't have moral responsibility... by esbita2007-07-03 08:26:08
                                I see. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:36:39
                                The others were only temporary. by esbita2007-07-03 08:46:25
                                It's probably the concept of "fear me, by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:56:23
                                Would you feel less uneasy by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:08:40
                                Yes. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:37:57
                                start by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:51:13
                                Great! Thanks. :D (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:02:59
                          Other peoples lived in Palestine at the time. by toysbfun2007-07-03 06:36:31
                            Only History books. The Old Testament by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:52:10
                              Aside from Hammurabi by toysbfun2007-07-03 07:28:13
                                Yes, different translations don't make things by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:09:21
                                I thought I answered those. God only made Himself by toysbfun2007-07-03 10:48:40
                  You're interpreting a metaphor literally by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 05:35:22
                    God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:40:38
                      Again you're using the word "would" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:04:42
                        So, I'm using the word "would". by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:20:38
                          If he knows it as it's happening by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:30:08
                            The German saying would equivalent by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:39:31
                              Offcourse we DO realise by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:49:13
                                Written and passed on by man, right by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:59:56
                                And are probably quite distorted in the Old by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:06:28
                                Quite possibly by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:10:36
                                That, we do. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:14:58
                                The fact that there is a god maybe... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:25:13
                                Yes, there can. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:30:12
                              Now I see by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:50:58
                                Not a word, but a saying. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:05:16
                                Again, my interpretation would not by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:09:40
                                No, I didn't refer to God as all-loving. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:18:56
                                God *wants* people to act by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:38:20
                                Yes, you made this clear. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:51:39
                                A few nitpicks by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:14:41
                                A few clarifications: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:28:18
                                That's a really good question by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:07:50
                                RE language: Yes, it does. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:35:18
                                You *really really* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:49:24
                                *notes down books* by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:01:23
                                If you're "not in that habit" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 10:08:08
                                Well, I'm too fond of certain pleasures by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:10:39
                                *dares CynicalRyan* by esbita2007-07-03 10:17:07
                  My daughter wanted to walk out to the car by altordwm2007-07-03 06:20:58
                    That's why the concept of good and bad by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:37:50
                      The Latins had a great word for that by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:56:28
                    In the eyes of your daughter: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:22:16
                      But is what the eyes of his daughter sees by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:41:44
                        In the daughter's eyes: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:58:15
                          I'm not asking about by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:04:24
                            Admit? :P by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:19:31
                              Fair enough by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:31:53
                              That's a fair answer by altordwm2007-07-03 08:35:58
                                Well, given that I have a bit more information by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:41:48
                  You, in a nutshell, are ignorant about what by sstacks2007-07-03 08:35:00
                    Good can exist without God. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:44:30
                      Not if you acknowledge God as the Creator by sstacks2007-07-03 08:47:06
                        Um, wrong. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:54:12
                      I'd phrase that differently by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:49:37
                    How can you call a murderous, genocidal, enslaving by Bellator2007-07-03 09:27:55
                      Wasn't there a belief at some point by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:32:46
                        I don't know by hej2007-07-03 09:57:07

 

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