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Anybody here open to Tarot cards? by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 01:29:06
  What force is supposed to act upon the cards? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 01:37:36
    Self interpretation. by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:05:38
      So they're just dead organic matter? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 02:11:40
        And yet still... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:38:30
          For Enzo: a non-secular perspective by zeitnot2007-07-03 04:10:57
            IMO the definition of god by EnzoMatrix 2007-07-03 04:57:11
and its actions is the sum of all things unexplained in science. The only reason I mentioned it in previous post, is that it might as well be... :P You seem to be pretty sure that it isn't though... Why?
[ Reply ]
              here's why. [again, non-secular perspective] by zeitnot2007-07-03 05:08:17
                He threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:21:12
                  Ten plagues, each one after the pharaoh refused to by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:27:41
                    Justified homicide and genocide, then. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:38:34
                      It's "Thou shalt not murder". by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:55:16
                        If I were God, I'd have snapped my fingers by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:10:32
                          With regard to your first sentence *only* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:21:47
                            Who says I have to allow choice when I'm a god? (n (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:44:01
                              What would be the point otherwise? (n/t) by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:53:07
                                Why should there be a point? by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:11:32
                                Point well taken... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:19:52
                                Doesn't have to be boring, either. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:23:12
                                Ref Constantine? :P (n/t) by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:25:52
                                Only saw the movie. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:27:37
                              If you're a god by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:05:30
                                All-loving isn't usually attributed to a god. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:14:01
                                All-loving by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:32:51
                                Alas, this incarantion of God is not all-loving. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:37:49
                          This gets into some pretty heavy concepts on by esbita2007-07-03 06:25:21
                            Teh concept of free will is lead ad absurdum by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:33:02
                              If you were God by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:37:34
                                I would've punished Pharaoh. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:45:57
                                To be nitpicky by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:58:09
                                No. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:07:56
                                The overarching theme of Exodus... by esbita2007-07-03 07:45:39
                                That's the moral of the story, yes. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:57:32
                                The Nile reeking of blood... by esbita2007-07-03 08:04:00
                                True. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:20:47
                              Pharaoh and his officials... by esbita2007-07-03 06:56:16
                                Yes, but you can safely assume by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:09:10
                                You're making the mistake... by esbita2007-07-03 07:36:33
                                If free will should have any worth: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:43:15
                                Again, judge by the standards of the time. by esbita2007-07-03 07:58:02
                                but the absence of individual rights and by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:13:04
                                But that would have prevented by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:16:36
                                Why? (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:21:19
                                You can't have moral responsibility... by esbita2007-07-03 08:26:08
                                I see. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:36:39
                                The others were only temporary. by esbita2007-07-03 08:46:25
                                It's probably the concept of "fear me, by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:56:23
                                Would you feel less uneasy by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:08:40
                                Yes. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:37:57
                                start by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:51:13
                                Great! Thanks. :D (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:02:59
                          Other peoples lived in Palestine at the time. by toysbfun2007-07-03 06:36:31
                            Only History books. The Old Testament by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:52:10
                              Aside from Hammurabi by toysbfun2007-07-03 07:28:13
                                Yes, different translations don't make things by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:09:21
                                I thought I answered those. God only made Himself by toysbfun2007-07-03 10:48:40
                  You're interpreting a metaphor literally by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 05:35:22
                    God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:40:38
                      Again you're using the word "would" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:04:42
                        So, I'm using the word "would". by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:20:38
                          If he knows it as it's happening by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:30:08
                            The German saying would equivalent by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:39:31
                              Offcourse we DO realise by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:49:13
                                Written and passed on by man, right by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:59:56
                                And are probably quite distorted in the Old by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:06:28
                                Quite possibly by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:10:36
                                That, we do. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:14:58
                                The fact that there is a god maybe... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:25:13
                                Yes, there can. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:30:12
                              Now I see by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:50:58
                                Not a word, but a saying. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:05:16
                                Again, my interpretation would not by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:09:40
                                No, I didn't refer to God as all-loving. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:18:56
                                God *wants* people to act by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:38:20
                                Yes, you made this clear. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:51:39
                                A few nitpicks by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:14:41
                                A few clarifications: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:28:18
                                That's a really good question by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:07:50
                                RE language: Yes, it does. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:35:18
                                You *really really* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:49:24
                                *notes down books* by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:01:23
                                If you're "not in that habit" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 10:08:08
                                Well, I'm too fond of certain pleasures by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:10:39
                                *dares CynicalRyan* by esbita2007-07-03 10:17:07
                  My daughter wanted to walk out to the car by altordwm2007-07-03 06:20:58
                    That's why the concept of good and bad by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:37:50
                      The Latins had a great word for that by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:56:28
                    In the eyes of your daughter: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:22:16
                      But is what the eyes of his daughter sees by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:41:44
                        In the daughter's eyes: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:58:15
                          I'm not asking about by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:04:24
                            Admit? :P by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:19:31
                              Fair enough by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:31:53
                              That's a fair answer by altordwm2007-07-03 08:35:58
                                Well, given that I have a bit more information by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:41:48
                  You, in a nutshell, are ignorant about what by sstacks2007-07-03 08:35:00
                    Good can exist without God. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:44:30
                      Not if you acknowledge God as the Creator by sstacks2007-07-03 08:47:06
                        Um, wrong. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:54:12
                      I'd phrase that differently by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:49:37
                    How can you call a murderous, genocidal, enslaving by Bellator2007-07-03 09:27:55
                      Wasn't there a belief at some point by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:32:46
                        I don't know by hej2007-07-03 09:57:07

 

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