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Anybody here open to Tarot cards? by EnzoMatrix 2007-07-03 01:29:06
Freaky stuff... Got a deck of cards from an aunt one christmas. I'm open to this kind of stuff, and realise
that the basic principle is to 'lay the problem / question in front of you to get a fresh insight'. It's also
in my personal experience that these cards can be pretty (fracking) direct in their answers.. So much
for the 'oracle' principle.. :P

Last evening, I apparently dropped my mobile when running for the bus. I even went back for it (in the pouring rain)
but couldn't find it.
This morning, I pulled a card on it, and it was pretty 'positive' so to say. At the job, one of my colleagues
walks to my table, and says: "Say, didn't you loose your cellphone yesterday? Possibly this one?"
Presenting me my cellphone...

Coincidence? Maybe.. I maybe openminded, but still think there is a scientific background on it.. Perhaps some
chaos theory... After all, consciously, one pulls the cards at random. However, somehow there is a link to
the matter at hand for which one pulls the questions.
[ Reply ]
  What force is supposed to act upon the cards? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 01:37:36
    Self interpretation. by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:05:38
      So they're just dead organic matter? by jeff_uk2007-07-03 02:11:40
        And yet still... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:38:30
          For Enzo: a non-secular perspective by zeitnot2007-07-03 04:10:57
            <waterboy's mom>Tarot cards is the DEVUHL! (n/t) by jeff_uk2007-07-03 04:19:20
            IMO the definition of god by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 04:57:11
              here's why. [again, non-secular perspective] by zeitnot2007-07-03 05:08:17
                He threw Adam and Eve out of Paradise. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:21:12
                  Ten plagues, each one after the pharaoh refused to by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:27:41
                    Justified homicide and genocide, then. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:38:34
                      It's "Thou shalt not murder". by toysbfun2007-07-03 05:55:16
                        If I were God, I'd have snapped my fingers by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:10:32
                          With regard to your first sentence *only* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:21:47
                            Who says I have to allow choice when I'm a god? (n (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:44:01
                              What would be the point otherwise? (n/t) by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:53:07
                                Why should there be a point? by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:11:32
                                Point well taken... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:19:52
                                Doesn't have to be boring, either. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:23:12
                                Ref Constantine? :P (n/t) by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:25:52
                                Only saw the movie. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:27:37
                              If you're a god by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:05:30
                                All-loving isn't usually attributed to a god. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:14:01
                                All-loving by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:32:51
                                Alas, this incarantion of God is not all-loving. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:37:49
                          This gets into some pretty heavy concepts on by esbita2007-07-03 06:25:21
                            Teh concept of free will is lead ad absurdum by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:33:02
                              If you were God by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:37:34
                                I would've punished Pharaoh. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:45:57
                                To be nitpicky by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:58:09
                                No. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:07:56
                                The overarching theme of Exodus... by esbita2007-07-03 07:45:39
                                That's the moral of the story, yes. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:57:32
                                The Nile reeking of blood... by esbita2007-07-03 08:04:00
                                True. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:20:47
                              Pharaoh and his officials... by esbita2007-07-03 06:56:16
                                Yes, but you can safely assume by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:09:10
                                You're making the mistake... by esbita2007-07-03 07:36:33
                                If free will should have any worth: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:43:15
                                Again, judge by the standards of the time. by esbita2007-07-03 07:58:02
                                but the absence of individual rights and by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:13:04
                                But that would have prevented by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:16:36
                                Why? (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:21:19
                                You can't have moral responsibility... by esbita2007-07-03 08:26:08
                                I see. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:36:39
                                The others were only temporary. by esbita2007-07-03 08:46:25
                                It's probably the concept of "fear me, by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:56:23
                                Would you feel less uneasy by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:08:40
                                Yes. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:37:57
                                start by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:51:13
                                Great! Thanks. :D (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:02:59
                          Other peoples lived in Palestine at the time. by toysbfun2007-07-03 06:36:31
                            Only History books. The Old Testament by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:52:10
                              Aside from Hammurabi by toysbfun2007-07-03 07:28:13
                                Yes, different translations don't make things by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:09:21
                                I thought I answered those. God only made Himself by toysbfun2007-07-03 10:48:40
                  You're interpreting a metaphor literally by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 05:35:22
                    God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:40:38
                      Again you're using the word "would" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:04:42
                        So, I'm using the word "would". by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:20:38
                          If he knows it as it's happening by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:30:08
                            The German saying would equivalent by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 06:39:31
                              Offcourse we DO realise by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:49:13
                                Written and passed on by man, right by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:59:56
                                And are probably quite distorted in the Old by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:06:28
                                Quite possibly by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:10:36
                                That, we do. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:14:58
                                The fact that there is a god maybe... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 07:25:13
                                Yes, there can. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:30:12
                              Now I see by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:50:58
                                Not a word, but a saying. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:05:16
                                Again, my interpretation would not by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:09:40
                                No, I didn't refer to God as all-loving. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:18:56
                                God *wants* people to act by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:38:20
                                Yes, you made this clear. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:51:39
                                A few nitpicks by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:14:41
                                A few clarifications: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:28:18
                                That's a really good question by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:07:50
                                RE language: Yes, it does. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:35:18
                                You *really really* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:49:24
                                *notes down books* by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:01:23
                                If you're "not in that habit" by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 10:08:08
                                Well, I'm too fond of certain pleasures by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 10:10:39
                                *dares CynicalRyan* by esbita2007-07-03 10:17:07
                  My daughter wanted to walk out to the car by altordwm2007-07-03 06:20:58
                    That's why the concept of good and bad by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:37:50
                      The Latins had a great word for that by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 06:56:28
                    In the eyes of your daughter: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:22:16
                      But is what the eyes of his daughter sees by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 07:41:44
                        In the daughter's eyes: by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:58:15
                          I'm not asking about by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:04:24
                            Admit? :P by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:19:31
                              Fair enough by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:31:53
                              That's a fair answer by altordwm2007-07-03 08:35:58
                                Well, given that I have a bit more information by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:41:48
                  You, in a nutshell, are ignorant about what by sstacks2007-07-03 08:35:00
                    Good can exist without God. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:44:30
                      Not if you acknowledge God as the Creator by sstacks2007-07-03 08:47:06
                        Um, wrong. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 08:54:12
                      I'd phrase that differently by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 08:49:37
                    How can you call a murderous, genocidal, enslaving by Bellator2007-07-03 09:27:55
                      Wasn't there a belief at some point by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:32:46
                        I don't know by hej2007-07-03 09:57:07
  Tried it... by leif.landen2007-07-03 01:41:00
    Very much so offcourse. by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 01:49:14
  Not me. by Khaar2007-07-03 01:41:50
    That's why Tarot cards arn't supposed to be used by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 01:52:19
      They aren't unexplained. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 03:17:01
        ESP is (largely) unexplained too... (n/t) by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 04:57:58
          No, it isn't. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 05:08:46
            So fascinating... by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 06:57:21
              Take your time. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 07:19:33
  Observer bias. by Arachnid2007-07-03 01:51:48
  Flip a coin. by Didactylos2007-07-03 02:08:02
    I use that for decision making. It circumvents the by Mad Marty2007-07-03 02:11:10
      Likewise. by Phoon2007-07-03 02:28:07
  Nah. Similar to horoscopres. by manxmania2007-07-03 02:21:02
    *Hums Weird Al's 'Horoscope for today'.. :P * (n/t by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 02:44:06
      o/` Now you may find it inconceivable or at the by Phoon2007-07-03 02:47:39
        A big promotion is just around the corner... by Arachnid2007-07-03 02:48:52
          expect a big surprise today by madjo2007-07-03 03:23:32
    There are many fun things to do with horoscopes. by Nea2007-07-03 10:54:37
  It's all hokum, but I still collect Tarot Decks. by Havoc2007-07-03 02:50:49
    That's true. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 03:10:07
      I need to check my decks for real titles by Havoc2007-07-03 04:16:18
        Nice artwork. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 04:18:08
          I really like the Salvador Dali deck by voxwoman2007-07-03 04:22:05
  Yeah, there's a scientific principle behind it. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 03:06:49
  Three things: by UGuardian2007-07-03 04:17:33
    Dune had another interesting point: by EnzoMatrix2007-07-03 05:01:58
  this is definitely not the place to discuss by voxwoman2007-07-03 04:20:34
  I am by Bellator2007-07-03 04:25:21
    Doesn't that conflict with the Bible? by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 04:26:56
      I am not a Christian by Bellator2007-07-03 04:29:38
        Ahhh. (n/t) by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 04:30:50
        Gah! by zeitnot2007-07-03 18:13:03
      There are two sources of spiritual power by sstacks2007-07-03 08:29:07
        Why? by Bellator2007-07-03 09:16:00
          Which makes me wonder by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:30:15
            His people killed their peoples. (n/t) by hej2007-07-03 09:35:04
              I don't think any of them said by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:38:51
                Or I am "Who causes to be" even. by hej2007-07-03 09:47:08
                  That seems to be God's definition of God by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:55:03
                    He's Popeye! (n/t) by vetitice2007-07-03 11:42:37
                      No, Popeye is a by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 11:50:39
  But wouldn't you have gotten the phone back by sstacks2007-07-03 08:27:00
    Yes, offcourse! by EnzoMatrix2007-07-04 03:44:42
  Darn, sleep-deprivation and headache setting in. by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:13:06
    *tosses pillow and analgesic of choice* by MatthewDBA2007-07-03 09:16:14
      *tosses analgesic back* by CynicalRyan2007-07-03 09:17:48
  Open? Sure. by Derek2007-07-03 09:55:43
  I stopped after I used them for a poker game by subbywan2007-07-03 13:48:33
  They're interesting, in that they can open your by rorajoey2007-07-03 14:28:47
  Bulls4. That's all they are. by RetiQlum22007-07-03 14:45:00

 

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