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smoking ban? discuss: by unjust2007-01-25 11:09:15
  Worked well here in Hawaii by ormandj2007-01-25 11:26:41
    What about the people who work in those bars? by Tomo2007-01-25 11:34:56
      That shouldn't be true by ormandj2007-01-25 11:42:30
        Tomo did back up his statement by Miss L. Anyus2007-01-25 12:10:24
          Work by ormandj2007-01-25 12:23:46
            Workplace safety. by run.dll2007-01-25 12:42:19
              You mention oil rigs and other dangerous workplace by Tomo2007-01-25 12:53:58
                Very short response by ormandj 2007-01-25 13:08:44
Do people *need* bars to survive? No.

Do we need oil rigs to survive? (At this point) yes.

Bars are "optional", so to speak. If you don't want to go in a bar with smoke, don't. If you don't want to work in one with smoke, don't.

As I've mentioned several times previously, you cannot base laws on a few ignorant/stupid/unmotivated people who cannot find "unskilled labor" as somebody brought up, doing something else beyond working in a smokey bar.

Again, as I've said repeatedly, if all the workers left the environment, the environment would be forced to change. That's why unions formed (like unions or not) - and they changed the face of manufacturering in the USA. Workers have a lot more power than you think, whether or not they utilize this power is their choice. Obviously, unskilled labor (in the MAJORITY of the cases - not all - so don't take this as an insult if you work unskilled labor jobs) is not exactly full of "creme of the crop" people. What you are suggesting is that we treat everybody as an idiot, and have government control over everything, because people are incapable of handling their own issues, when quite clearly they are (if they WANT to.)

Personally, I don't like the idea of an extremely socialist (communist?!?!?!) government, I don't want to have rationed food delivered to my doorstep daily. I dealt with enough of that in Romania for a lifetime.
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                  Are you suggesting that luxury goods by Tomo2007-01-25 13:16:46
                    I cannot argue by ormandj2007-01-25 13:25:06
                      Hey, it's been fun! by Tomo2007-01-25 13:39:08
                        Ahh by ormandj2007-01-25 13:47:20
                  Distinguish between bar workers and patrons. by run.dll2007-01-25 13:49:24
                    To be honest by ormandj2007-01-25 13:53:55
                      There is at least one sovereign nation for sale. by Tomo2007-01-25 14:03:12
                        Haha, I saw that by ormandj2007-01-25 15:24:07

 

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