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smoking ban? discuss: by unjust2007-01-25 11:09:15
  Worked well here in Hawaii by ormandj2007-01-25 11:26:41
    What about the people who work in those bars? by Tomo2007-01-25 11:34:56
      That shouldn't be true by ormandj 2007-01-25 11:42:30
The "if people prefer to work in a no-smoker bar, then there will be fewer jobs available in the non-smoking compared to the smoking bars, so some people will have little choice but to work in the smoking bars" argument is invalid.

If smoking-bars don't have employees to hire because nobody wants to work there, there will be fewer smoking bars. Conversely, more non-smoking bars, and appropriately more jobs in non-smoking bars available than smoking-bars.

You didn't justify your logic for calling that argument invalid, even though I had never MADE that argument. You simply proposed it. However, it is quite easy to invalidate your comment.

As to your second comment - some employers DO ask their employees to work in an environment filled with hazardous chemicals, and even more dangerous environments. There are some jobs that require deep-sea diving (oil rig repair), toxic chemical exposure (sewage treatment plants/chemical processing companies), and various other extremely dangerous environments. NOBODY is forced into those jobs (at least, not in the US) - they are voluntary. The pay scales with the danger, generally. People are compensated for putting their life at risk, however - they make that choice.

You cannot simply call an argument (one which I never made) invalid simply because you "feel" it is. You need to back up your statements in order to be convincing. You only made an assertion based on a false assumption. This won't work. There are already plenty of examples of exactly what you described in the world, and some people do choose to work in those jobs - but nobody is there without choice. Show me one deep-sea diver doing oil rig repair who is there involuntarily because he/she couldn't find a different job.
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        Tomo did back up his statement by Miss L. Anyus2007-01-25 12:10:24
          Work by ormandj2007-01-25 12:23:46
            Workplace safety. by run.dll2007-01-25 12:42:19
              You mention oil rigs and other dangerous workplace by Tomo2007-01-25 12:53:58
                Very short response by ormandj2007-01-25 13:08:44
                  Are you suggesting that luxury goods by Tomo2007-01-25 13:16:46
                    I cannot argue by ormandj2007-01-25 13:25:06
                      Hey, it's been fun! by Tomo2007-01-25 13:39:08
                        Ahh by ormandj2007-01-25 13:47:20
                  Distinguish between bar workers and patrons. by run.dll2007-01-25 13:49:24
                    To be honest by ormandj2007-01-25 13:53:55
                      There is at least one sovereign nation for sale. by Tomo2007-01-25 14:03:12
                        Haha, I saw that by ormandj2007-01-25 15:24:07
              Reasonably possible... by ormandj2007-01-25 12:58:13
                Yes it is. by Tomo2007-01-25 12:59:31
                  Is it "Reasonably practicable"... by ormandj2007-01-25 13:03:26
                    The first - there has yet to be a judgement. by Tomo2007-01-25 13:09:45
                      Ahhh by ormandj2007-01-25 13:12:02
                        I'll drink to that! (n/t) by Tomo2007-01-25 13:18:14

 

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