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smoking ban? discuss: by unjust2007-01-25 11:09:15
  Worked well here in Hawaii by ormandj 2007-01-25 11:26:41
Worked great here in Hawaii. We just had a ban go into effect November 16th, and the environment is already much nicer. I say this as a NON-hostile ex-smoker. In fact, I quit Nov. 16th.

I'd attempted to quit a few times before, but invariably I'd go out drinking with friends, and lack of self-control (be it alcohol induced or not - no matter) + smell of smoke == me smoking by the end of the night.

Now that it's banned indoors in public places, and within 20 feet of public entry ways, it made it relatively easy for me to avoid the smoke. I could care less what people do with their own lungs - but I was tired of destroying my own. I know I'm selfish in saying that, and selfish in the fact I endorsed the smoking ban so *I* could benefit - but the reality is - it benefits everybody in the end.

It inconviences smokers, but they inconvience non-smokers, so it's rather equal in that regard.

That said, I think the law should be amended for bars/non-necessary places. If they want to allow smoking, I don't care - I can take my money elsewhere and go to a non-smoking bar.

The part of the law I am in favor of is the ban of smoking in areas that as a "normal" person, you cannot avoid going, smoker or non. Public entryways, public buildings the general populace needs to use, etc. If private establishments want to permit smoking, I feel they should be allowed.

That said, as long as smokers/their diseases impact my medicare deductions, I don't want them to be allowed to smoke AT ALL. If people want to smoke, they should be entirely financially responsible for the resulting diseases. I don't want to pay for social health care support for people who do something they *know* kills them. Anybody who hasn't figured out smoking is bad for you by now, is a prime target for survival of the fittest anyways.

So, summarized, as long as smoker's smoking has *0* effect on me, I don't care what they do. The second it has an impact on me (be it my finances, my health, whatever) that is not avoidable with reasonable measures - then I have a big problem with it. As long as bans go in place that keep it from affecting me, I'm all for it. I have the "right to life", there is no "right to smoke".
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    What about the people who work in those bars? by Tomo2007-01-25 11:34:56
      That shouldn't be true by ormandj2007-01-25 11:42:30
        Tomo did back up his statement by Miss L. Anyus2007-01-25 12:10:24
          Work by ormandj2007-01-25 12:23:46
            Workplace safety. by run.dll2007-01-25 12:42:19
              You mention oil rigs and other dangerous workplace by Tomo2007-01-25 12:53:58
                Very short response by ormandj2007-01-25 13:08:44
                  Are you suggesting that luxury goods by Tomo2007-01-25 13:16:46
                    I cannot argue by ormandj2007-01-25 13:25:06
                      Hey, it's been fun! by Tomo2007-01-25 13:39:08
                        Ahh by ormandj2007-01-25 13:47:20
                  Distinguish between bar workers and patrons. by run.dll2007-01-25 13:49:24
                    To be honest by ormandj2007-01-25 13:53:55
                      There is at least one sovereign nation for sale. by Tomo2007-01-25 14:03:12
                        Haha, I saw that by ormandj2007-01-25 15:24:07
              Reasonably possible... by ormandj2007-01-25 12:58:13
                Yes it is. by Tomo2007-01-25 12:59:31
                  Is it "Reasonably practicable"... by ormandj2007-01-25 13:03:26
                    The first - there has yet to be a judgement. by Tomo2007-01-25 13:09:45
                      Ahhh by ormandj2007-01-25 13:12:02
                        I'll drink to that! (n/t) by Tomo2007-01-25 13:18:14
    What about... by imperito2007-01-25 11:36:19
      I covered those points... by ormandj2007-01-25 11:47:43
      smokers pay higher premiums fo rinsurance. by unjust2007-01-25 12:05:05
        Sure by ormandj2007-01-25 12:09:50
        Enough higher? by imperito2007-01-25 12:16:19
          But moderate drinking is NOT bad for you! by wwill2007-01-25 13:37:38
            personally by unjust2007-01-25 14:50:56
    Bar check-list: liquer liscense, smoking liscense by Miss L. Anyus2007-01-25 11:47:25

 

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