| smoking ban? discuss: |
by unjust |
2007-01-25 11:09:15 |
so mn is talking about a state wide smokign ban in restaurants and bars (it's allready no no in public buildings and workplaces)
now, from a health standpoint 2nd hand smoke is BAD. (smoking in general is BAD for you, although -moderate- smoking of cigars and certain pipe tobaccos does show net benefit in stress reduction vs adverse affects, in part due to reduced hazardous chemicals from the way the tobacco is processed)
from a recreational stand point, smoking and drinking are both legal, and various forms of dangerous.
how far can/should a gvt go to ban a "workplace hazard"? research is now showing that use of fiberglass insulation is potentially as hazardous as asbestos when being installed/removed. are the innumberable jobs that require exposure to hazmat or known hazardous environments to be banned?
shoudl firefighters being allowed into burnign buildigns be banned since there is a known hazard?
what about cooks working over griddles/fryers that are producing oodles of chemicals inthe process of searign meat or aerosolizing carbonized fats?
as often pointed out many barkeeps/wait staff either smoke themselves, or are indifferent to the danger because of the pay. how is that different from deep water oil rig welders?
will be around off and on. i'm torn on the issue myself, leaning towards majority nonsmoking area, but allowign indoor (rememberin it gets brisk here in winter) smoking where it doesnt' allow for contamination of nearby air. |
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sure and while we're at it | by volg | 2007-01-25 11:13:25 |
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Yeah, they also get people places. | by imperito | 2007-01-25 11:19:13 |
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No I use an EV or Bicycle whenever possible. (n/t | by volg | 2007-01-25 11:49:45 |
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Hehe... | by imperito | 2007-01-25 12:20:00 |
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better still.. | by volg | 2007-01-25 14:10:58 |
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You find very few cars inside pubs and restaurants | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 11:25:08 |
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Wrong. There are now bans on outdoor smoking in | by SouthpawPL | 2007-01-25 11:45:28 |
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That isn't a very good japanese accent... :) (n/t) | by imperito | 2007-01-25 11:46:53 |
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The outdoor smoking ban here in Quebec | by Miss L. Anyus | 2007-01-25 11:54:03 |
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It isn't only the climate. | by imperito | 2007-01-25 12:01:45 |
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and don't forget the beaches | by surfdude | 2007-01-25 12:21:13 |
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And Ravens Stadium and Oriole park at Camden yards | by joecrouse | 2007-01-25 16:08:20 |
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I haven't smoked indoors | by volg | 2007-01-25 11:54:51 |
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That's harsh | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:12:26 |
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We have a 3 min limit on idleling | by Miss L. Anyus | 2007-01-25 12:15:12 |
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Wow | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:27:34 |
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That is rather overkill. | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 12:56:42 |
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Have you noticed that it has become socially | by Miss L. Anyus | 2007-01-25 11:35:06 |
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Have you noticed the number of cigarette butts | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 11:38:12 |
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You mean, consider how they affect others? | by imperito | 2007-01-25 11:42:15 |
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hey now.. | by volg | 2007-01-25 11:48:57 |
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Probably | by imperito | 2007-01-25 11:59:03 |
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People throw butts down in my work parking lot | by shorty82 | 2007-01-25 15:12:13 |
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A slight tangent ... | by subbywan | 2007-01-25 14:31:30 |
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I'm in favor of it. | by imperito | 2007-01-25 11:17:31 |
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I'm against the ban. | by basher20 | 2007-01-25 11:26:52 |
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Completely non-smoking restaurant/bar | by afterburner | 2007-01-25 11:55:56 |
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You're underestimating humanity | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:06:12 |
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People had to be shown that they would still have | by Miss L. Anyus | 2007-01-25 12:13:54 |
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You are correct on the fact that there are many | by afterburner | 2007-01-25 12:23:29 |
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Like... | by imperito | 2007-01-25 12:25:09 |
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Exactly! ;-P (n/t) | by afterburner | 2007-01-25 12:35:21 |
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Personally, I like the smoking ban | by Miss L. Anyus | 2007-01-25 11:22:36 |
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i'm all for a indoor smoking ban | by Freakazoid | 2007-01-25 11:24:04 |
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We did that a few years ago here in Sweden. | by Scirocco | 2007-01-25 11:25:09 |
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I second this, though I'm a non-smoker. (n/t) | by ts003 | 2007-01-25 12:16:16 |
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Worked well here in Hawaii | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 11:26:41 |
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What about the people who work in those bars? | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 11:34:56 |
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That shouldn't be true | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 11:42:30 |
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Tomo did back up his statement | by Miss L. Anyus | 2007-01-25 12:10:24 |
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Work | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:23:46 |
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Workplace safety. | by run.dll | 2007-01-25 12:42:19 |
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You mention oil rigs and other dangerous workplace | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 12:53:58 |
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Very short response | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 13:08:44 |
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Are you suggesting that luxury goods | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 13:16:46 |
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I cannot argue | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 13:25:06 |
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Hey, it's been fun! | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 13:39:08 |
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Ahh | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 13:47:20 |
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Distinguish between bar workers and patrons. | by run.dll | 2007-01-25 13:49:24 |
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To be honest | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 13:53:55 |
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There is at least one sovereign nation for sale. | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 14:03:12 |
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Haha, I saw that | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 15:24:07 |
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Reasonably possible... | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:58:13 |
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Yes it is. | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 12:59:31 |
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Is it "Reasonably practicable"... | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 13:03:26 |
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The first - there has yet to be a judgement. | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 13:09:45 |
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Ahhh | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 13:12:02 |
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I'll drink to that! (n/t) | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 13:18:14 |
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What about... | by imperito | 2007-01-25 11:36:19 |
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I covered those points... | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 11:47:43 |
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smokers pay higher premiums fo rinsurance. | by unjust | 2007-01-25 12:05:05 |
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Sure | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:09:50 |
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Enough higher? | by imperito | 2007-01-25 12:16:19 |
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But moderate drinking is NOT bad for you! | by wwill | 2007-01-25 13:37:38 |
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personally | by unjust | 2007-01-25 14:50:56 |
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Bar check-list: liquer liscense, smoking liscense | by Miss L. Anyus | 2007-01-25 11:47:25 |
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they've had that law in place here for about 6 mo | by voxwoman | 2007-01-25 11:48:59 |
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Don't let them do it!!! | by justncase | 2007-01-25 11:52:34 |
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Agree with the basis of your logic, but... | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:01:35 |
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Politics and money | by surfdude | 2007-01-25 12:37:18 |
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Fair enough | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:50:41 |
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the other side of the mirror.. | by surfdude | 2007-01-25 13:32:20 |
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There are ways of protecting the non-smoking/anti | by JustnCase | 2007-01-25 14:44:42 |
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what i was aimign for more thatn | by unjust | 2007-01-25 12:08:55 |
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the "rights of the individual" | by run.dll | 2007-01-25 12:32:19 |
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Rights... | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 12:45:31 |
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... persuit of happiness? | by unjust | 2007-01-25 12:56:19 |
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Persuit of happiness | by ormandj | 2007-01-25 13:00:22 |
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As far as I know, | by krikkert | 2007-01-25 13:37:00 |
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The difference is... | by Arachnid | 2007-01-25 12:15:57 |
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playign devils advocate | by unjust | 2007-01-25 13:09:32 |
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Expected risk, yes. Neccessary risk, no. | by Arachnid | 2007-01-25 13:14:03 |
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I dunno - they could be very chic! (n/t) | by Tomo | 2007-01-25 13:21:57 |
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Ban them nationwide, slash and landfill the | by Havoc | 2007-01-25 13:14:50 |
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but cigars are good for you.... | by unjust | 2007-01-25 14:37:12 |
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Let the free market decide | by SoylentGreen | 2007-01-25 13:27:25 |
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The free market sucks at accounting for | by Arachnid | 2007-01-25 13:34:16 |
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The most freedom for the most people | by imWACC0 | 2007-01-25 13:49:37 |
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Ignoring externalities again. | by Arachnid | 2007-01-25 13:59:34 |
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i'm off. will aim to look in later. (n/t) | by unjust | 2007-01-25 14:59:17 |
