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Is science based in fact or belief? by subbywan2007-01-22 16:28:58
  Science is based on belief supported by fact. by hadji2007-01-22 16:35:24
    but could it be the reason it's faith-based by subbywan2007-01-22 16:36:58
      That's a pointless statement though. by hadji2007-01-22 16:39:05
        But per the scientific method, by subbywan2007-01-22 16:47:26
          Sounds like a semantic problem. by vetitice2007-01-22 16:55:09
            It may very well be. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:01:28
              Who's this 'we', kemo sabe? by vetitice2007-01-22 17:13:50
                But very large portions of science have by subbywan2007-01-22 17:22:55
                  OK, I think I see where you're taking this. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:38:50
                    ARGH!! you did it!! :P by subbywan 2007-01-22 17:40:59
I was trying very very hard NOT to bring in "Intelligent Design" because I think that as it stands now, that's a crock :P

For the most part, you have it though. However, I do believe science will develop to the point it *can* see outside of the box. We've already made steps towards that with things like hypermath.
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                      That depends on the scope of the box. by hadji2007-01-22 17:44:52
                        There's always a bigger box. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:51:03
                        Thus my point by subbywan2007-01-22 17:55:25
                          But the point is that you never CAN prove it. by hadji2007-01-22 18:21:28
                            We don't KNOW we cannot prove it. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:26:02
                              The fact that the possibility exists means we by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:27:56
                                True, but if we're wrong, by subbywan2007-01-22 18:29:13
                                No, we can't prove his non-existence doing that by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:32:33
                                Then we may prove his existence by subbywan2007-01-22 18:49:47
                                We might by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:52:08
                                I'm interested in God. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:54:52
                                Fair enough. by Arachnid2007-01-22 19:05:37
                                Yes, but when I spawn by subbywan2007-01-22 19:06:23
                      Talk to Goedel. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:46:18
                        Nothing to be sorry about. That's the point of the by subbywan2007-01-22 17:56:33
                          What godel proved is that there are some things by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:00:45
                            Proved? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:02:30
                              Not exactly. by vetitice2007-01-22 18:10:48
                                That would indicate a limited model. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:14:02
                                The very definition of 'universe' is that it's by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:18:20
                                That merely shows *we* were wrong by subbywan2007-01-22 18:24:28
                                Then once again you're arguing about nothing more by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:26:38
                                We already covered that up here: by subbywan2007-01-22 18:31:14
                                It's still a matter of semantics by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:35:30
                                only everything we know. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:52:04
                              No, he's proved it. It is in no way an assumption. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:11:49
                                By that article itself, it lists there are limits by subbywan2007-01-22 18:20:32
                                Certainly by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:24:57
                                I agree. The universe might be one by subbywan2007-01-22 18:28:18
                                We don't need to prove it is one. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:38:16
                                How much of what we have proved do we by subbywan2007-01-22 18:53:58

 

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