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Is science based in fact or belief? by subbywan2007-01-22 16:28:58
  Science is based on belief supported by fact. by hadji2007-01-22 16:35:24
    but could it be the reason it's faith-based by subbywan 2007-01-22 16:36:58
is that our tech simply hasn't evolved to that point yet?
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      That's a pointless statement though. by hadji2007-01-22 16:39:05
        But per the scientific method, by subbywan2007-01-22 16:47:26
          Sounds like a semantic problem. by vetitice2007-01-22 16:55:09
            It may very well be. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:01:28
              Who's this 'we', kemo sabe? by vetitice2007-01-22 17:13:50
                But very large portions of science have by subbywan2007-01-22 17:22:55
                  OK, I think I see where you're taking this. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:38:50
                    ARGH!! you did it!! :P by subbywan2007-01-22 17:40:59
                      That depends on the scope of the box. by hadji2007-01-22 17:44:52
                        There's always a bigger box. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:51:03
                        Thus my point by subbywan2007-01-22 17:55:25
                          But the point is that you never CAN prove it. by hadji2007-01-22 18:21:28
                            We don't KNOW we cannot prove it. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:26:02
                              The fact that the possibility exists means we by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:27:56
                                True, but if we're wrong, by subbywan2007-01-22 18:29:13
                                No, we can't prove his non-existence doing that by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:32:33
                                Then we may prove his existence by subbywan2007-01-22 18:49:47
                                We might by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:52:08
                                I'm interested in God. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:54:52
                                Fair enough. by Arachnid2007-01-22 19:05:37
                                Yes, but when I spawn by subbywan2007-01-22 19:06:23
                      Talk to Goedel. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:46:18
                        Nothing to be sorry about. That's the point of the by subbywan2007-01-22 17:56:33
                          What godel proved is that there are some things by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:00:45
                            Proved? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:02:30
                              Not exactly. by vetitice2007-01-22 18:10:48
                                That would indicate a limited model. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:14:02
                                The very definition of 'universe' is that it's by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:18:20
                                That merely shows *we* were wrong by subbywan2007-01-22 18:24:28
                                Then once again you're arguing about nothing more by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:26:38
                                We already covered that up here: by subbywan2007-01-22 18:31:14
                                It's still a matter of semantics by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:35:30
                                only everything we know. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:52:04
                              No, he's proved it. It is in no way an assumption. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:11:49
                                By that article itself, it lists there are limits by subbywan2007-01-22 18:20:32
                                Certainly by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:24:57
                                I agree. The universe might be one by subbywan2007-01-22 18:28:18
                                We don't need to prove it is one. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:38:16
                                How much of what we have proved do we by subbywan2007-01-22 18:53:58
      Can't ever get there. by vetitice2007-01-22 16:41:07
        Why can't we ever get there? by subbywan2007-01-22 16:44:37
          Because you can always say by vetitice2007-01-22 16:50:05
            Not yet, I agree by subbywan2007-01-22 16:53:07
              Not ever. by vetitice2007-01-22 16:59:59
                That's the catch. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:04:23
                  But we know exactly how we'd go about that. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:06:15
                    Only because we've *done* it. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:10:03
                      We haven't landed probes on jupiter's moons by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:16:25
                        Yes. But we don't know how to get them back by subbywan2007-01-22 17:29:46
                          Yes we do by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:36:46
                            Are we omnipotent? by subbywan2007-01-22 17:53:51
                              No, we're not. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:57:05
                                Hence my point. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:58:36
                                So you can disprove small gods. Woohoo. by vetitice2007-01-22 18:04:10
                                How do we know Gods go beyond science? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:08:43
                                And now you're not talking about proving the by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:15:01
                                Who says they WEREN'T what we call God? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:34:33
                                Definitions again. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:41:25
                                Neither. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:45:54
                                Glad I could help. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:49:47
                                Go right ahead :) by subbywan2007-01-22 18:55:43
                                You can NEVER prove they don't! by vetitice2007-01-22 18:18:46
                                That's because you think I'm trying to actively by subbywan2007-01-22 18:38:32
                                No, it's useless to go searching... by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:43:02
                                The whole tangent thing again. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:48:44
                                Like I said, if it's not omnipotent, it's not god. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:04:22
                                Why not? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:10:57
                                Then we have a disagreement in terminology by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:16:35
                                That's fair enough. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:42:13
                  Nope. The logic is ALWAYS one step ahead. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:20:03
                    I agree with you on the priest by subbywan2007-01-22 17:32:57
                      You can't prove a negative. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:39:20
                        But we don't KNOW God is a negative yet by subbywan2007-01-22 17:57:20
                          You misunderstand. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:59:29
                            Currently. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:03:24
                              How can technology ever help if God can by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:11:25
                                Assumption. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:57:30
          Because the best we can say is that it fits the by Arachnid2007-01-22 16:58:45
      Faith is by Havoc2007-01-22 16:44:56
        Now I feel even worse. It was nearly a year ago. by Havoc2007-01-22 16:50:39
        I don't think that means we should *blindly* by subbywan2007-01-22 16:52:02
          That's how I know I don't have faith. by Havoc2007-01-22 17:01:59

 

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