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Is science based in fact or belief? by subbywan2007-01-22 16:28:58
  Science is based on belief supported by fact. by hadji 2007-01-22 16:35:24
Newton's ideas were not swept away by Einstein. They are still accurate for practical applications, and they are still used.

Religion is a belief based purely on faith. And I say this as a Christian. I have no fact to support the existence of God, but we do have fact to support the accuracy of Newton's theory of gravity. We've landed men on the moon using those calculations. We've sent satellites to explore other planets and their moons. We impacted a probe into a comet for heaven's sakes!
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    but could it be the reason it's faith-based by subbywan2007-01-22 16:36:58
      That's a pointless statement though. by hadji2007-01-22 16:39:05
        But per the scientific method, by subbywan2007-01-22 16:47:26
          Sounds like a semantic problem. by vetitice2007-01-22 16:55:09
            It may very well be. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:01:28
              Who's this 'we', kemo sabe? by vetitice2007-01-22 17:13:50
                But very large portions of science have by subbywan2007-01-22 17:22:55
                  OK, I think I see where you're taking this. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:38:50
                    ARGH!! you did it!! :P by subbywan2007-01-22 17:40:59
                      That depends on the scope of the box. by hadji2007-01-22 17:44:52
                        There's always a bigger box. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:51:03
                        Thus my point by subbywan2007-01-22 17:55:25
                          But the point is that you never CAN prove it. by hadji2007-01-22 18:21:28
                            We don't KNOW we cannot prove it. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:26:02
                              The fact that the possibility exists means we by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:27:56
                                True, but if we're wrong, by subbywan2007-01-22 18:29:13
                                No, we can't prove his non-existence doing that by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:32:33
                                Then we may prove his existence by subbywan2007-01-22 18:49:47
                                We might by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:52:08
                                I'm interested in God. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:54:52
                                Fair enough. by Arachnid2007-01-22 19:05:37
                                Yes, but when I spawn by subbywan2007-01-22 19:06:23
                      Talk to Goedel. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:46:18
                        Nothing to be sorry about. That's the point of the by subbywan2007-01-22 17:56:33
                          What godel proved is that there are some things by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:00:45
                            Proved? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:02:30
                              Not exactly. by vetitice2007-01-22 18:10:48
                                That would indicate a limited model. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:14:02
                                The very definition of 'universe' is that it's by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:18:20
                                That merely shows *we* were wrong by subbywan2007-01-22 18:24:28
                                Then once again you're arguing about nothing more by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:26:38
                                We already covered that up here: by subbywan2007-01-22 18:31:14
                                It's still a matter of semantics by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:35:30
                                only everything we know. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:52:04
                              No, he's proved it. It is in no way an assumption. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:11:49
                                By that article itself, it lists there are limits by subbywan2007-01-22 18:20:32
                                Certainly by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:24:57
                                I agree. The universe might be one by subbywan2007-01-22 18:28:18
                                We don't need to prove it is one. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:38:16
                                How much of what we have proved do we by subbywan2007-01-22 18:53:58
      Can't ever get there. by vetitice2007-01-22 16:41:07
        Why can't we ever get there? by subbywan2007-01-22 16:44:37
          Because you can always say by vetitice2007-01-22 16:50:05
            Not yet, I agree by subbywan2007-01-22 16:53:07
              Not ever. by vetitice2007-01-22 16:59:59
                That's the catch. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:04:23
                  But we know exactly how we'd go about that. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:06:15
                    Only because we've *done* it. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:10:03
                      We haven't landed probes on jupiter's moons by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:16:25
                        Yes. But we don't know how to get them back by subbywan2007-01-22 17:29:46
                          Yes we do by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:36:46
                            Are we omnipotent? by subbywan2007-01-22 17:53:51
                              No, we're not. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:57:05
                                Hence my point. by subbywan2007-01-22 17:58:36
                                So you can disprove small gods. Woohoo. by vetitice2007-01-22 18:04:10
                                How do we know Gods go beyond science? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:08:43
                                And now you're not talking about proving the by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:15:01
                                Who says they WEREN'T what we call God? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:34:33
                                Definitions again. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:41:25
                                Neither. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:45:54
                                Glad I could help. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:49:47
                                Go right ahead :) by subbywan2007-01-22 18:55:43
                                You can NEVER prove they don't! by vetitice2007-01-22 18:18:46
                                That's because you think I'm trying to actively by subbywan2007-01-22 18:38:32
                                No, it's useless to go searching... by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:43:02
                                The whole tangent thing again. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:48:44
                                Like I said, if it's not omnipotent, it's not god. by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:04:22
                                Why not? by subbywan2007-01-22 18:10:57
                                Then we have a disagreement in terminology by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:16:35
                                That's fair enough. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:42:13
                  Nope. The logic is ALWAYS one step ahead. by vetitice2007-01-22 17:20:03
                    I agree with you on the priest by subbywan2007-01-22 17:32:57
                      You can't prove a negative. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:39:20
                        But we don't KNOW God is a negative yet by subbywan2007-01-22 17:57:20
                          You misunderstand. by Arachnid2007-01-22 17:59:29
                            Currently. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:03:24
                              How can technology ever help if God can by Arachnid2007-01-22 18:11:25
                                Assumption. by subbywan2007-01-22 18:57:30
          Because the best we can say is that it fits the by Arachnid2007-01-22 16:58:45
      Faith is by Havoc2007-01-22 16:44:56
        Now I feel even worse. It was nearly a year ago. by Havoc2007-01-22 16:50:39
        I don't think that means we should *blindly* by subbywan2007-01-22 16:52:02
          That's how I know I don't have faith. by Havoc2007-01-22 17:01:59

 

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