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So... it was effective after all... by fitzso2006-12-13 12:38:50
  Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics by DesertRat662006-12-13 12:55:03
    Isn't that what we always tell you when you by Peace_man2006-12-13 13:00:38
      You have one problem though by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:04:56
        That's Bull, DR by fitzso2006-12-13 13:14:48
          Really? by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:26:52
            *splutters diet coke on screen* by Havoc2006-12-13 13:30:13
              Who says I'm not? by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:43:53
                Dude, there's a MASSIVE difference between by subbywan 2006-12-13 14:07:45
basic *HUMAN* right and a constitutional guarantee for US citizens only.
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                  Not if you research what the founders thought by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:21:31
                    They might by fitzso2006-12-13 14:26:13
                      I am well aware of Port Arthur by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:29:00
                        and 2/3 of the U.S = everyone in the world? (n/t) by fitzso2006-12-13 14:30:01
                    But only applicable to AMERICANS by subbywan2006-12-13 14:49:54
                      Currently yes by DesertRat662006-12-13 17:55:28
                        s/right/privelige/ and you've got it. by fitzso2006-12-13 18:47:37
                          Paranoid people like who? by DesertRat662006-12-13 19:34:50
                            BS mate. by NemoHac2006-12-13 19:45:13
                              How many by fitzso2006-12-13 19:51:42
                                The ones where he's tried to say that the magna by NemoHac2006-12-13 19:53:30
                              If you take the time by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:04:27
                                This one: by fitzso2006-12-13 20:11:37
                                So your rights are granted to you by your by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:33:14
                                Very little by fitzso2006-12-13 21:11:47
                                If there is nothing to keep them from being taken by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:21:09
                                And guns are not a human right in australia by fitzso2006-12-13 21:33:10
                                Do you ever step back and agree to disagree? by NemoHac2006-12-13 20:17:08
                                Greatly depends on the subject by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:30:27
                                Apologies for being forceful by NemoHac2006-12-13 20:52:37
                                But you never answered the question by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:55:44
                                Nothing you would have faith in. by NemoHac2006-12-13 21:07:32
                                It's quite relevant by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:23:10
                    No, they didn't. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:52:13
                      There's other documents by DesertRat662006-12-13 17:52:55
                        Do they apply by fitzso2006-12-13 20:24:05
                          Where do I say they do? by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:51:22
                            When you say 'human right' then you are talking by Peace_man2006-12-13 20:59:23
                              Convicted felons do NOT get to vote in the US. (n/ (n/t) by quilting_kitty2006-12-13 21:13:52
                                Huh. I stand corrected. I could have SWORN. (n/t) by quilting_kitty2006-12-13 21:15:27
                                Depends on the state by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:27:39
                              First off by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:16:03
                                I don't know that much about US laws in detail, by Peace_man2006-12-13 21:27:17
                                Both rights can be lost via a felony conviction by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:36:36
                                Then I must be a da-- fool. by fitzso2006-12-13 21:39:54
                                That is your choice, by lheggland2006-12-13 21:45:54
                                at the cost of other people's rights. by fitzso2006-12-13 21:47:57
                                How so? by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:49:47
                                If you kill someone, you have violated his by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:05:11
                                There is plenty basis in law for that by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:16:17
                                It is, however, not a Constitutional right. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:21:52
                                The law is an implementation of the right by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:23:36
                                What does the law say about protecting by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:24:45
                                Absolutely nothing by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:34:24
                                That is must be justified. by lheggland2006-12-13 22:37:53
                                s/is/it (n/t) by lheggland2006-12-13 22:38:32
                                No, I don't. by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:25:42
                                The group of really smart guys by lheggland2006-12-13 22:25:31
                                Ah, I see. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:29:24
                                Actually it says exactly what it means by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:38:55
                                That wasn't the part I was talking about. by Peace_man2006-12-13 23:03:21
                                When you are analyzing the intent of by lheggland2006-12-13 22:52:32
                                Seconded by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:57:54
                                Heh. You could even look at it another way, too. by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:28:57
                                Well sure let's use your logic by DesertRat662006-12-14 07:43:09
                                You forgot about quartering soldiers. (n/t) by RetiQlum22007-05-09 04:42:37
                                No, crime will happen by lheggland2006-12-13 21:54:14
                                what a load of capr by fitzso2006-12-13 21:56:54
                                Maybe you can defend yourself ably by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:03:39
                                None by lheggland2006-12-13 22:05:47
                                If an unarmed population is one open to by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:09:29
                                Yes, by lheggland2006-12-13 22:19:58
                                I take it that you agree with us when we say by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:23:30
                                Gun control tends to increases crime by lheggland2006-12-13 22:32:58
                                A proliferation of guns allows criminals by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:31:12
                                How many times does this point have to be refuted by DesertRat662006-12-14 07:44:43
                                That is explained by differences in culture by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:21:50
                                When did I claim that guns, or the lack of them, by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:26:31
                                You didn't. You did ask however by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:44:16
                                I guess I can claim that what happened by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:36:24
                                Note, by lheggland2006-12-13 22:12:34
                                I consider positions like yours more than foolish by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:47:52
                                Why? by fitzso2006-12-13 21:51:26
                                Whose right to live? by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:06:59
                                Your arguments are weak. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:15:26
                                How do you explain Rwanda? by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:32:17

 

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