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So... it was effective after all... by fitzso2006-12-13 12:38:50
  Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics by DesertRat662006-12-13 12:55:03
    Isn't that what we always tell you when you by Peace_man2006-12-13 13:00:38
      You have one problem though by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:04:56
        That's Bull, DR by fitzso2006-12-13 13:14:48
          Really? by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:26:52
            *splutters diet coke on screen* by Havoc 2006-12-13 13:30:13
'basic human right'?

Oh please.

While I believe I should be allowed to buy a gun, carry a gun, and use a gun within reason, no way do I believe it is a basic human right.

Sheesh.

If you really believe that, you need to work on providing guns to every single person on the planet, and protest governments that won't provide this 'basic human right'.

That's just silly.
[ Reply ]
              Who says I'm not? by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:43:53
                Both of whom by fitzso2006-12-13 13:46:54
                  Show me by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:02:38
                    it doesn't, but the link I posted does. (n/t) by Havoc2006-12-13 14:04:05
                Civil right, perhaps. Human right, NO. by Havoc2006-12-13 13:59:00
                  Oh this is going to be fun by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:19:08
                    Not fun for you. Rebuttal, using your own words. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:22:32
                      I was referring to suicide in that quote by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:33:25
                Dude, there's a MASSIVE difference between by subbywan2006-12-13 14:07:45
                  Not if you research what the founders thought by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:21:31
                    They might by fitzso2006-12-13 14:26:13
                      I am well aware of Port Arthur by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:29:00
                        and 2/3 of the U.S = everyone in the world? (n/t) by fitzso2006-12-13 14:30:01
                    But only applicable to AMERICANS by subbywan2006-12-13 14:49:54
                      Currently yes by DesertRat662006-12-13 17:55:28
                        s/right/privelige/ and you've got it. by fitzso2006-12-13 18:47:37
                          Paranoid people like who? by DesertRat662006-12-13 19:34:50
                            BS mate. by NemoHac2006-12-13 19:45:13
                              How many by fitzso2006-12-13 19:51:42
                                The ones where he's tried to say that the magna by NemoHac2006-12-13 19:53:30
                              If you take the time by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:04:27
                                This one: by fitzso2006-12-13 20:11:37
                                So your rights are granted to you by your by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:33:14
                                Very little by fitzso2006-12-13 21:11:47
                                If there is nothing to keep them from being taken by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:21:09
                                And guns are not a human right in australia by fitzso2006-12-13 21:33:10
                                Do you ever step back and agree to disagree? by NemoHac2006-12-13 20:17:08
                                Greatly depends on the subject by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:30:27
                                Apologies for being forceful by NemoHac2006-12-13 20:52:37
                                But you never answered the question by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:55:44
                                Nothing you would have faith in. by NemoHac2006-12-13 21:07:32
                                It's quite relevant by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:23:10
                    No, they didn't. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:52:13
                      There's other documents by DesertRat662006-12-13 17:52:55
                        Do they apply by fitzso2006-12-13 20:24:05
                          Where do I say they do? by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:51:22
                            When you say 'human right' then you are talking by Peace_man2006-12-13 20:59:23
                              Convicted felons do NOT get to vote in the US. (n/ (n/t) by quilting_kitty2006-12-13 21:13:52
                                Huh. I stand corrected. I could have SWORN. (n/t) by quilting_kitty2006-12-13 21:15:27
                                Depends on the state by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:27:39
                              First off by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:16:03
                                I don't know that much about US laws in detail, by Peace_man2006-12-13 21:27:17
                                Both rights can be lost via a felony conviction by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:36:36
                                Then I must be a da-- fool. by fitzso2006-12-13 21:39:54
                                That is your choice, by lheggland2006-12-13 21:45:54
                                at the cost of other people's rights. by fitzso2006-12-13 21:47:57
                                How so? by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:49:47
                                If you kill someone, you have violated his by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:05:11
                                There is plenty basis in law for that by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:16:17
                                It is, however, not a Constitutional right. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:21:52
                                The law is an implementation of the right by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:23:36
                                What does the law say about protecting by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:24:45
                                Absolutely nothing by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:34:24
                                That is must be justified. by lheggland2006-12-13 22:37:53
                                s/is/it (n/t) by lheggland2006-12-13 22:38:32
                                No, I don't. by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:25:42
                                The group of really smart guys by lheggland2006-12-13 22:25:31
                                Ah, I see. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:29:24
                                Actually it says exactly what it means by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:38:55
                                That wasn't the part I was talking about. by Peace_man2006-12-13 23:03:21
                                When you are analyzing the intent of by lheggland2006-12-13 22:52:32
                                Seconded by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:57:54
                                Heh. You could even look at it another way, too. by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:28:57
                                Well sure let's use your logic by DesertRat662006-12-14 07:43:09
                                You forgot about quartering soldiers. (n/t) by RetiQlum22007-05-09 04:42:37
                                No, crime will happen by lheggland2006-12-13 21:54:14
                                what a load of capr by fitzso2006-12-13 21:56:54
                                Maybe you can defend yourself ably by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:03:39
                                None by lheggland2006-12-13 22:05:47
                                If an unarmed population is one open to by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:09:29
                                Yes, by lheggland2006-12-13 22:19:58
                                I take it that you agree with us when we say by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:23:30
                                Gun control tends to increases crime by lheggland2006-12-13 22:32:58
                                A proliferation of guns allows criminals by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:31:12
                                How many times does this point have to be refuted by DesertRat662006-12-14 07:44:43
                                That is explained by differences in culture by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:21:50
                                When did I claim that guns, or the lack of them, by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:26:31
                                You didn't. You did ask however by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:44:16
                                I guess I can claim that what happened by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:36:24
                                Note, by lheggland2006-12-13 22:12:34
                                I consider positions like yours more than foolish by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:47:52
                                Why? by fitzso2006-12-13 21:51:26
                                Whose right to live? by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:06:59
                                Your arguments are weak. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:15:26
                                How do you explain Rwanda? by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:32:17

 

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