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So... it was effective after all... by fitzso 2006-12-13 12:38:50
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The tough gun laws that Little Johnny put in place after Port Arthur ARE doing good. Based off those numbers, our gun deaths have halved since the buyback and laws were put in place.

There'd been debate over it, but this just goes to show that while it was already on the downslide, the tougher laws have most definitely helped.
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  *gets popcorn* by psychoi3oy2006-12-13 12:42:11
  Gun suicides are reduced . . . by hyzenthlay2006-12-13 12:47:42
  i dont trust that graph.. but glad its decreasing (n/t) by Len482006-12-13 12:51:18
    Here is an intersting graph that covers dates from by techi8702006-12-13 13:05:56
  Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics by DesertRat662006-12-13 12:55:03
    61% of all statistics are made up (n/t) by ValenceParadigm2006-12-13 12:57:36
      That's 65%, if you account for inflation! (n/t) by Narc2006-12-13 13:00:30
        Plus, the other 36% by MatthewDBA2006-12-13 13:02:15
          Yeah, but 7 out of five people don't get fractions (n/t) by basher202006-12-13 14:10:03
    Isn't that what we always tell you when you by Peace_man2006-12-13 13:00:38
      You have one problem though by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:04:56
        That's Bull, DR by fitzso2006-12-13 13:14:48
          Really? by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:26:52
            *splutters diet coke on screen* by Havoc2006-12-13 13:30:13
              Who says I'm not? by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:43:53
                Both of whom by fitzso2006-12-13 13:46:54
                  Show me by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:02:38
                    it doesn't, but the link I posted does. (n/t) by Havoc2006-12-13 14:04:05
                Civil right, perhaps. Human right, NO. by Havoc2006-12-13 13:59:00
                  Oh this is going to be fun by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:19:08
                    Not fun for you. Rebuttal, using your own words. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:22:32
                      I was referring to suicide in that quote by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:33:25
                Dude, there's a MASSIVE difference between by subbywan2006-12-13 14:07:45
                  Not if you research what the founders thought by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:21:31
                    They might by fitzso2006-12-13 14:26:13
                      I am well aware of Port Arthur by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:29:00
                        and 2/3 of the U.S = everyone in the world? (n/t) by fitzso2006-12-13 14:30:01
                    But only applicable to AMERICANS by subbywan2006-12-13 14:49:54
                      Currently yes by DesertRat662006-12-13 17:55:28
                        s/right/privelige/ and you've got it. by fitzso2006-12-13 18:47:37
                          Paranoid people like who? by DesertRat662006-12-13 19:34:50
                            BS mate. by NemoHac2006-12-13 19:45:13
                              How many by fitzso2006-12-13 19:51:42
                                The ones where he's tried to say that the magna by NemoHac2006-12-13 19:53:30
                              If you take the time by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:04:27
                                This one: by fitzso2006-12-13 20:11:37
                                So your rights are granted to you by your by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:33:14
                                Very little by fitzso2006-12-13 21:11:47
                                If there is nothing to keep them from being taken by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:21:09
                                And guns are not a human right in australia by fitzso2006-12-13 21:33:10
                                Do you ever step back and agree to disagree? by NemoHac2006-12-13 20:17:08
                                Greatly depends on the subject by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:30:27
                                Apologies for being forceful by NemoHac2006-12-13 20:52:37
                                But you never answered the question by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:55:44
                                Nothing you would have faith in. by NemoHac2006-12-13 21:07:32
                                It's quite relevant by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:23:10
                    No, they didn't. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:52:13
                      There's other documents by DesertRat662006-12-13 17:52:55
                        Do they apply by fitzso2006-12-13 20:24:05
                          Where do I say they do? by DesertRat662006-12-13 20:51:22
                            When you say 'human right' then you are talking by Peace_man2006-12-13 20:59:23
                              Convicted felons do NOT get to vote in the US. (n/ (n/t) by quilting_kitty2006-12-13 21:13:52
                                Huh. I stand corrected. I could have SWORN. (n/t) by quilting_kitty2006-12-13 21:15:27
                                Depends on the state by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:27:39
                              First off by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:16:03
                                I don't know that much about US laws in detail, by Peace_man2006-12-13 21:27:17
                                Both rights can be lost via a felony conviction by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:36:36
                                Then I must be a da-- fool. by fitzso2006-12-13 21:39:54
                                That is your choice, by lheggland2006-12-13 21:45:54
                                at the cost of other people's rights. by fitzso2006-12-13 21:47:57
                                How so? by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:49:47
                                If you kill someone, you have violated his by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:05:11
                                There is plenty basis in law for that by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:16:17
                                It is, however, not a Constitutional right. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:21:52
                                The law is an implementation of the right by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:23:36
                                What does the law say about protecting by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:24:45
                                Absolutely nothing by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:34:24
                                That is must be justified. by lheggland2006-12-13 22:37:53
                                s/is/it (n/t) by lheggland2006-12-13 22:38:32
                                No, I don't. by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:25:42
                                The group of really smart guys by lheggland2006-12-13 22:25:31
                                Ah, I see. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:29:24
                                Actually it says exactly what it means by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:38:55
                                That wasn't the part I was talking about. by Peace_man2006-12-13 23:03:21
                                When you are analyzing the intent of by lheggland2006-12-13 22:52:32
                                Seconded by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:57:54
                                Heh. You could even look at it another way, too. by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:28:57
                                Well sure let's use your logic by DesertRat662006-12-14 07:43:09
                                You forgot about quartering soldiers. (n/t) by RetiQlum22007-05-09 04:42:37
                                No, crime will happen by lheggland2006-12-13 21:54:14
                                what a load of capr by fitzso2006-12-13 21:56:54
                                Maybe you can defend yourself ably by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:03:39
                                None by lheggland2006-12-13 22:05:47
                                If an unarmed population is one open to by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:09:29
                                Yes, by lheggland2006-12-13 22:19:58
                                I take it that you agree with us when we say by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:23:30
                                Gun control tends to increases crime by lheggland2006-12-13 22:32:58
                                A proliferation of guns allows criminals by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:31:12
                                How many times does this point have to be refuted by DesertRat662006-12-14 07:44:43
                                That is explained by differences in culture by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:21:50
                                When did I claim that guns, or the lack of them, by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:26:31
                                You didn't. You did ask however by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:44:16
                                I guess I can claim that what happened by Peace_man2006-12-14 00:36:24
                                Note, by lheggland2006-12-13 22:12:34
                                I consider positions like yours more than foolish by DesertRat662006-12-13 21:47:52
                                Why? by fitzso2006-12-13 21:51:26
                                Whose right to live? by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:06:59
                                Your arguments are weak. by Peace_man2006-12-13 22:15:26
                                How do you explain Rwanda? by DesertRat662006-12-13 22:32:17
            psssst by justncase2006-12-13 13:37:30
            Guns are NOT a by fitzso2006-12-13 13:37:46
              Geneva Convention is not THE document for basic by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:01:47
                The U.S Constitution applies only to the U.S by fitzso2006-12-13 14:08:25
                Neither is the US Constitution. (n/t) by subbywan2006-12-13 14:08:31
                THE document that has been a model of human rights by AndyA2006-12-13 14:09:04
                  The US Constitution and Bill of Rights by subbywan2006-12-13 14:11:07
                    The one big difference is that by AndyA2006-12-13 14:19:15
                      Maybe because there was never any risk of it by Arachnid2006-12-13 14:22:11
                        You mean the US isn't a theocracy? by AndyA2006-12-13 14:25:08
                          Yet. (n/t) by Havoc2006-12-13 14:48:41
                  The Magna Carta was part of the principles by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:27:12
                    So the bit about the right to own a gun by AndyA2006-12-13 14:53:17
                      It wasn't missed by DesertRat662006-12-13 16:22:26
                        Ah... No. by NemoHac2006-12-13 18:18:52
                          Ah... Yes by DesertRat662006-12-13 19:22:40
                            I stand corrected. (n/t) by NemoHac2006-12-13 19:30:03
                        So the English have been missing a basic right by AndyA2006-12-13 18:20:34
                          Yep and this was even addressed in 1803 by DesertRat662006-12-13 19:26:14
                Neither is the US Constitution. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:17:53
                  ^^^^ Sources and linkys, guys! (n/t) by Havoc2006-12-13 14:19:13
                  Did you even read the UN document? by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:35:33
                    The logical answer would be... by Arachnid2006-12-13 14:43:08
                    because WE HELPED WRITE IT. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:49:53
                      You're getting warmer by DesertRat662006-12-13 16:24:17
                  the UDHR is heavily influenced by US founding docs by basher202006-12-13 14:47:39
                    yup. read that last link I provided. by Havoc2006-12-13 14:50:23
                    Does it even mention the 2nd amendment? (n/t) by subbywan2006-12-13 14:52:35
            Overall suicide is on a downslide by fitzso2006-12-13 13:44:31
              A slow one by DesertRat662006-12-13 14:07:36
                It doesn't have to by fitzso2006-12-13 14:12:53
            And those numbers are from an unbiased source? by AndyA2006-12-13 13:52:40
    What does this have to do with suicide anyway? by Arachnid2006-12-13 14:14:49
      And if it's purpose by fitzso2006-12-13 14:28:31
  It's deliberately skewed. by NemoHac2006-12-13 12:55:20
    Having two trend lines is reasonable. by AndyA2006-12-13 14:00:05
      Possibly. by NemoHac2006-12-13 14:12:49
  While that is good news the report is missing some by techi8702006-12-13 13:01:15
    ObAusKnifeQuote: by HistoryCrusader2006-12-13 13:13:12
      Wasn't it "That's not a knife, THIS is a knife"? (n/t) by techi8702006-12-13 13:19:37
  vehicular homicide will decrease... by HistoryCrusader2006-12-13 13:07:05
    Cars are an essential part of everyday life for by Arachnid2006-12-13 13:15:21
      I guess that would depend where you lived and what by techi8702006-12-13 13:20:50
        Tough as our laws are by fitzso2006-12-13 13:25:38
          It's interesting the the AU gov actually gave by techi8702006-12-13 13:27:52
      Why don't we ask some people? by DesertRat662006-12-13 13:37:34
        I didn't know that the founding fathers had by Arachnid2006-12-13 13:44:47
          I didn't know that they were Australian. by AndyA2006-12-13 14:03:17
            ...so the point is invalid for two reasons, not by Arachnid2006-12-13 14:07:33
              That depends. by AndyA2006-12-13 14:11:17
      What's essential about a car? by HistoryCrusader2006-12-13 13:42:29
        I couldn't by MatthewDBA2006-12-13 13:44:27
        Most people require a vehicle. by Arachnid2006-12-13 13:47:58
        But you just limited public transport to 10mph by AndyA2006-12-13 14:04:22
        I think what Arachnid is saying by fitzso2006-12-13 14:10:49
  Take the guns away from those most likely by Havoc2006-12-13 13:31:53
    Sadly by fitzso2006-12-13 13:45:18
      It's easy. by AndyA2006-12-13 14:13:54
        hehehehe (n/t) by fitzso2006-12-13 14:15:44
        and then at the bottom by Havoc2006-12-13 14:53:22
  Shouldn't this post have gone in the ordanace by techi8702006-12-13 14:21:42

 

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