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Senior Democrat Calls for Reinstatemment of Draft by DesertRat66 2006-11-20 08:03:58
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I for one support Rep. Rangel in his call to reinstate the draft and I hope his legislation gets passed. I do hope it eliminates the college exemption though.
[ Reply ]
  Yes to the Draft by duano2006-11-20 08:08:39
  Wonder if this choice will be made by the .gov or by theanomaly2006-11-20 08:10:20
    The needs of the military by DesertRat662006-11-20 08:38:17
      Conscientious Objectors by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 08:43:11
        All a matter of opinion I guess by DesertRat662006-11-20 08:44:49
          I could not fire a gun under orders by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 08:47:21
            Shoot the sarge. That would stop the orders. by klar_at_work2006-11-20 08:50:39
              Yeah, and the last order you'll hear... by Sharku2006-11-20 10:12:10
            Inexperience rears it head... by surfdude2006-11-20 09:08:45
              No by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 09:12:16
                that's not a problem. Unless you're a sniper by subbywan2006-11-20 10:37:50
                  Would I be ordered by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:45:17
                    That's OK by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:49:03
                      That I wouldn't necessarily object to by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:52:29
                        As a cook, the only time you would have to fire a by Arman X2006-11-20 11:23:19
                          I don't know that I could avoid by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:26:02
                          Naw putting the sarges face on the paper targe by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:11:56
                        Yep youd get sent to basic by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:10:49
                    well, infantry is THE most common MOS by subbywan2006-11-20 10:49:12
                      I don't think I could go out on combat patrols by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:53:53
                        You wouldn't have to. by subbywan2006-11-20 10:54:36
                          Scary by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:58:32
                            could do what the chaplins officially do by subbywan2006-11-20 11:11:57
                              That would have to be it by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:14:00
                                Be a medic. THey only carry a 9mm by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:13:36
              I couldn't live with myself by fitzso2006-11-20 11:14:42
                Could you by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:17:13
                  I could by fitzso2006-11-20 12:27:54
          While I do respect many military people, by Nath32006-11-20 09:45:48
          Really? Quakers founded Pennsylvania by Silverfire2006-11-20 19:37:34
        Seconded. by Ravenlock2006-11-20 08:45:41
          his/her, that is. (n/t) by Ravenlock2006-11-20 08:46:42
      The catch there... by jdelphiki2006-11-20 08:52:18
        How about taking it from the military budget? by Peace_man2006-11-20 08:58:25
        Well that's easy by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:20:48
      That one is boardering on a Fluffy Pink Bunny. by talon07202006-11-20 09:49:17
        Yeah, how about them cowards eh. (n/t) by theanomaly2006-11-20 09:50:41
          (sarcasm tags for above, btw) (n/t) by theanomaly2006-11-20 09:55:51
        Yes I am by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:15:17
          So one Democrat talking about instating the draft by talon07202006-11-20 11:28:20
            Why not? People think Bush apparently by subbywan2006-11-20 11:35:36
              In other words: standard political sniping by Concept2006-11-20 11:37:36
                it's pretty much ALWAYS business as usual :P by subbywan2006-11-20 11:38:58
                  hence the term "as usual" :-P (n/t) by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:40:53
            Not just the party, the entire country. by vetitice2006-11-20 11:38:22
              Not exactly by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:52:29
                Yaay for blind dumb obedience. by vetitice2006-11-20 12:02:56
                  You said it. (n/t) by fitzso2006-11-20 13:51:13
            Keep in mind by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:50:09
              Might I point out by talon07202006-11-20 12:42:41
                Sen. Conyers by Silverfire2006-11-20 19:43:51
        Amish are automaticaly exempted by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:15:58
          question there: by subbywan2006-11-20 14:21:20
            Generaly speaking (Note I am no where near by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:23:16
              okie :) (n/t) by subbywan2006-11-20 14:24:55
                That being said even with 1 eye by joecrouse2006-11-20 16:10:39
  I'll bend my steel to your will, sir! by Hactar the Uhhh2006-11-20 08:14:24
    You're beyond the draft age, aren't you? :P (n/t) by esbita2006-11-20 08:19:02
      *Flashes driver's license* by Hactar the Uhhh2006-11-20 08:20:43
        Sounds like cannon fodder to me. (n/t) by klar_at_work2006-11-20 08:51:14
          You couldn't possibly know this, but by Hactar the Uhhh2006-11-20 09:10:23
            But then you did it for earning a living by zoxer2006-11-20 11:18:19
              That's true, by Hactar the Uhhh2006-11-20 12:10:24
            You were a BUS DRIVER!. (just messing with ya) (n (n/t) by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:17:45
          Also, you've every right by Hactar the Uhhh2006-11-20 09:14:29
  It'd get more young people to vote that's for sure by esbita2006-11-20 08:18:33
    Well for one it would free up the professionals by DesertRat662006-11-20 08:41:17
    I get this idea about a Heinlein book: by klar_at_work2006-11-20 08:52:58
      The usual reference is by hyzenthlay2006-11-20 08:56:20
      Revolt in 2100 was totally different story :P (n/t) by esbita2006-11-20 10:05:39
        Was? by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:19:46
          My 100th b-day will be in 2081 by esbita2006-11-20 10:22:36
            Huh by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:28:07
  Linky to discussion yesterday by ixeian2006-11-20 08:22:17
  Should save the US some money, too. by leistico2006-11-20 08:23:11
    Slave laborers? by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 08:27:17
  Sure, why bother with an education when you can be by kelli2172006-11-20 08:30:11
    Exactly by DesertRat662006-11-20 08:36:22
      As long as that 'higher' education wont be by klar_at_work2006-11-20 09:00:19
        That's up to fate by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:12:50
  Will he include females? by hyzenthlay2006-11-20 08:31:37
    I would hope so by DesertRat662006-11-20 08:32:32
      If he makes the claim by hyzenthlay2006-11-20 08:44:19
        So if it is a /benefit/, by krikkert2006-11-20 09:18:48
          indeed by fitzso2006-11-20 13:47:37
            Not for long. by krikkert2006-11-20 14:04:42
              That's just wrong. by fitzso2006-11-20 14:31:23
              Plus, as long as there are a few men left by subbywan2006-11-20 14:33:23
        Introverts do well in the army by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:21:39
  DR Stop channelling Hadji : by klar_at_work2006-11-20 08:44:42
  No to the Draft. by klar_at_work2006-11-20 08:49:14
    "Anticipatory Retaliation" is the core of all by Havoc2006-11-20 10:39:14
      Similar to the following: by theanomaly2006-11-20 10:47:01
        One more point. by kelli2172006-11-20 11:43:07
        And if your neighbor has similar tactical sense by vetitice2006-11-20 11:54:13
    we have that its called the peace corp. (n/t) by joecrouse2006-11-20 14:24:07
    way to many gravestones by robertltux2006-11-20 18:04:59
  The problem with the Word "Draft" in the U.S. is by Classic_Jon2006-11-20 08:51:22
    If only vets can vote... by Nath32006-11-20 09:53:39
      we're ~60% there already by plblark2006-11-20 09:59:37
        Was going to say, you'll need a larger carrot by Concept2006-11-20 10:07:17
        And sadly, per a thread last week, that ia a by Classic_Jon2006-11-20 10:07:51
  In other news, a sudden temperature drop was by Peace_man2006-11-20 08:51:40
    Unfortuneately I think the rest of the world would by Classic_Jon2006-11-20 08:56:19
      There could easily be that perception, yes. by Peace_man2006-11-20 09:03:37
        It is not possible to do it and not raise military by Classic_Jon2006-11-20 09:12:03
          OK, I might have misspoken with that 'eager' by Peace_man2006-11-20 09:19:25
            I agree but in the short term it would cause by Classic_Jon2006-11-20 09:45:00
    Look at other countries with conscription. by krikkert2006-11-20 09:24:10
      *waits for the inevitable* (n/t) by Sharku2006-11-20 09:25:13
      Conscription could work. by shorty822006-11-20 09:33:11
        Clarifying my definitions.. by krikkert2006-11-20 09:40:22
          Those are my definitions pretty much. by shorty822006-11-20 09:56:24
  After reading all that is said in here, there is by klar_at_work2006-11-20 08:54:37
    Not necessarily by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 08:59:06
  Out of curiosity, by Ravenlock2006-11-20 08:55:34
    Both by Havoc2006-11-20 09:06:18
      I'm not sure what the purpose would be by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 09:09:39
        The basic training is thorough enough by Havoc2006-11-20 10:36:16
          As far as by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:40:10
          but the costs and logistics of that would be by plblark2006-11-20 10:41:08
            But you would be slowly building a by Havoc2006-11-20 12:35:30
              "hopefully" by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 12:37:19
                Youd be suprised what a marine corps by joecrouse2006-11-20 19:59:41
          Perhaps but considering the number by Silverfire2006-11-20 20:08:59
      Why on earth treat females like that? (n/t) by hyzenthlay2006-11-20 09:11:14
        American females by Hactar the Uhhh2006-11-20 09:12:39
          Lower Standards by surfdude2006-11-20 09:34:04
            How does the Israeli army handle female soldiers? (n/t) by vdp2006-11-20 09:37:43
            Set the approrpiate standards and let people pass by Concept2006-11-20 09:39:08
              Well said! by Hactar the Uhhh2006-11-20 09:47:39
              Exactly. If I were a bigger woman by esbita2006-11-20 10:27:29
            And? by hyzenthlay2006-11-20 10:17:50
              not been there or done that but by plblark2006-11-20 10:27:26
                Your example is a good one. (n/t) by theanomaly2006-11-20 10:34:26
                A force comprised of women by hyzenthlay2006-11-20 10:57:04
              Yes. Give some one Esbitas size by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:02:56
      It would be a good idea to make service by Peace_man2006-11-20 09:14:24
        s/Storm/Starship (n/t) by Nath32006-11-20 09:36:32
          Ooops! Sorry about that. (n/t) by Peace_man2006-11-20 09:38:49
        Agreed! *pounds gavel* Done and DONE! by Havoc2006-11-20 10:30:37
    Absolutley by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:28:07
      That is just stupid. by BloodyViking2006-11-20 13:18:08
        No that's life by DesertRat662006-11-20 13:32:56
          No, that's Not "life". by BloodyViking2006-11-20 13:57:50
            This makes considerably more sense to me as well. (n/t) by Ravenlock2006-11-20 15:15:33
            Ah but an informed individual by DesertRat662006-11-20 16:20:28
        Not true. Education doesnt mean squat by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:07:56
          And not everyone SHOULD be in college by subbywan2006-11-20 20:10:00
            College was a waste of 2 years and thousands of by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:12:32
  Add an annual reserve call for 2-4 weeks by shminux2006-11-20 09:15:52
    Good idea. by Peace_man2006-11-20 09:21:30
  From reading this thread this looks more like by shorty822006-11-20 09:29:48
    nope draft was in full effect from 1914 by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:09:31
  I haven't seen this addressed in comments yet ... by iarann2006-11-20 09:30:28
    krikkert mentioned this as a major reason by Peace_man2006-11-20 09:36:00
    And what I was getting at on voter turnout by esbita2006-11-20 10:21:25
  I have a life logistics question... by Concept2006-11-20 10:02:34
    i'm 32 with two kids and a wife by plblark2006-11-20 10:31:36
      Here's a thought. by theanomaly2006-11-20 10:42:07
      This is exactly the gist of my question. (n/t) by Concept2006-11-20 10:55:47
    When you're called by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:35:12
      What happens to your family? by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 10:48:01
        Military family housing is available by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:57:00
          So someone who has spent the last... by RetiQlum22006-11-20 10:59:45
            IIRC they would be protected from debt collection by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:10:28
              thats the way i remember it by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:13:37
            If you're in service, they CANNOT foreclose by subbywan2006-11-20 11:14:47
              I'd imagine by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:20:30
                Oh, definitely. May even force them to change by subbywan2006-11-20 11:22:36
                  The military attorneys by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:25:00
                    No. Remember, they're up against the Govt. by subbywan2006-11-20 11:27:03
                      I'd still bet by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:33:09
                        Class action suits. by subbywan2006-11-20 11:37:30
                          Point taken (n/t) by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:38:23
                            My brother is active service and had to deal with by subbywan2006-11-20 11:42:53
                        There would be once they drafted them. :) (n/t) by Nea2006-11-20 11:40:34
                    Jag is swift, Jag doesnt play soft ball. by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:15:09
          So my wife would lose her job? by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:01:44
            Possibly by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:12:27
        This is an excellent question, and... by Ravenlock2006-11-20 10:57:56
          There are various laws in place to protect you by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:02:39
          Ravenlock If you wife has all that consider this. by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:18:46
            It's something she's considered, by Ravenlock2006-11-20 23:03:15
      You misread my question, apparently by Concept2006-11-20 11:06:15
  I have major problems with this by basher202006-11-20 10:34:39
    Why not by DesertRat662006-11-20 10:46:28
      So you're offering this up as by basher202006-11-20 11:05:18
        I'm not offering anything by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:08:43
          Are you just jerking us around, here? by Ravenlock2006-11-20 15:32:58
      So, first you post this article and say you agree by ixeian2006-11-20 11:37:34
        If it happened two weeks ago by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:56:39
          I think it did by ixeian2006-11-20 12:24:06
            Not really at this time by DesertRat662006-11-20 12:31:06
  a good quote on politics by plblark2006-11-20 10:53:18
  If this passes... by RetiQlum22006-11-20 11:12:45
    And people said the Republicans would be the prob. (n/t) by subbywan2006-11-20 11:15:38
    Shirk your patriotic duty?! by DesertRat662006-11-20 11:15:52
      Would you mind not taking parts of this by Peace_man2006-11-20 12:19:42
        Yes I would in fact by DesertRat662006-11-20 12:27:00
          Then why ask Retiqlum2 not to reply by Peace_man2006-11-20 12:31:21
            Simple by DesertRat662006-11-20 12:48:11
              If it relates to this thread, it should be on the by Peace_man2006-11-20 12:50:48
                Um, no. If things are going outside the realm of by subbywan2006-11-20 12:55:16
                  I have to disagree there. by Peace_man2006-11-20 13:38:37
                    You're allowed to disagree by subbywan2006-11-20 13:44:24
                      Oh, certainly. Things can be taken off board. by Peace_man2006-11-20 14:00:07
                        Then if something is not acceptable to board by subbywan2006-11-20 14:03:11
                          Are you deliberately obtuse? I answered that by Peace_man2006-11-20 14:05:30
                            Poorly by subbywan2006-11-20 14:13:37
                              Did you forget something? by Peace_man2006-11-20 14:27:37
                                I think you misinterpreted the post. by subbywan2006-11-20 14:35:36
                    How is it necessarily your business... by esbita2006-11-20 13:44:39
                      It has been mentioned before that it is by Peace_man2006-11-20 14:02:10
                    If someone has a grievance with another person, by krikkert2006-11-20 13:55:09
                      It is established policy not to take things by Peace_man2006-11-20 14:03:55
                        It is established policy not to take by krikkert2006-11-20 14:11:09
                Peace_man dirty jokes by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:23:06
      Patriotic duty my rear end, DR by fitzso2006-11-20 14:03:14
  All well and good, by moongoddess2006-11-20 11:15:14
    Actually, at least one of the Bush twins has by subbywan2006-11-20 11:17:28
  Let me tell you why I think it's bad: by fitzso2006-11-20 11:22:47
    Now hang on by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 11:31:47
      Indeed, most mental disorders associated with war by Arman X2006-11-20 11:35:49
        How about using Prevention rather than by fitzso2006-11-20 12:20:05
          It's different by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 12:33:13
            Si vis Pacem, para Bellum (n/t) by DesertRat662006-11-20 12:35:49
              Or Pope John Paul's version by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 12:38:14
            Sorry, but I don't buy that by fitzso2006-11-20 13:40:30
              The "because they'll use them" by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 13:46:02
                It's been proven to me that America would by fitzso2006-11-20 14:19:05
                  legal point there: by subbywan2006-11-20 14:24:28
              Yes, used in an ongoing war to end it quicker. by esbita2006-11-20 13:46:55
    Appeal to emotion; using loaded terms. by krikkert2006-11-20 13:52:20
      What loaded terms? by fitzso2006-11-20 14:26:40
        One big one that stood out for me was: by subbywan2006-11-20 14:32:00
          I disagree by fitzso2006-11-20 14:50:02
            Unfortunately, we don't know whether "some" by subbywan2006-11-20 14:57:26
              That's sadly very true. by fitzso2006-11-20 15:15:45
                "risking the sanity of millions"? by krikkert2006-11-20 15:19:00
                  And how well-trained is a draftee? by fitzso2006-11-20 15:27:21
                    Most of them are a mixture, by krikkert2006-11-20 15:29:27
            CS wanna bees anyone by robertltux2006-11-20 17:40:00
              Sorry, that makes no sense at all (n/t) by fitzso2006-11-20 18:18:29
                DI's talk that way by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:31:30
  Did anyone believe DR66 was serious? by vetitice2006-11-20 11:43:02
    I think he's being gleeful about how quickly the by Concept2006-11-20 11:46:49
      It's a happy thing to get ones schadenfreude back. by vetitice2006-11-20 11:50:37
        As if the attitude you show is any credit... by esbita2006-11-20 12:00:44
          My aisles are half a world away. by vetitice2006-11-20 12:16:18
            Talk to those who DON'T vote. (n/t) by subbywan2006-11-20 12:20:43
            When will we? by MatthewDBA2006-11-20 12:20:51
            Let me rephrase... by esbita2006-11-20 12:22:00
              Oh, good point. by vetitice2006-11-20 12:38:33
                How is that ANY different from the Liberals by subbywan2006-11-20 12:53:18
                  Not in the slightest and I hate them for it too :) by vetitice2006-11-20 12:59:01
    Not really. by RetiQlum22006-11-20 11:50:01
    Dunno about him, but I'd totally support it by subbywan2006-11-20 11:51:42
      You mean national service/conscription or draft? (n/t) by vetitice2006-11-20 11:55:04
        Both/all. (n/t) by subbywan2006-11-20 11:58:48
    Yes, I do by fitzso2006-11-20 12:20:51
    I have no reason to believe it wasn't. by Peace_man2006-11-20 12:27:39
      s/it/the TLP/ (on re-reading the question). (n/t) by Peace_man2006-11-20 12:33:51
      If you check the archives by DesertRat662006-11-20 12:38:42
        Any idea what Retiqlum2 is talking about by Peace_man2006-11-20 12:48:48
          Not really by DesertRat662006-11-20 12:57:44
          Real simple: by RetiQlum22006-11-20 13:01:34
            And for the record: by RetiQlum22006-11-20 13:04:08
            I need to learn to recognize irony? by Peace_man2006-11-20 13:35:58
              No Cryptography and Missdirection by joecrouse2006-11-20 20:33:26
    I did at least at first, but... by Ravenlock2006-11-20 15:41:11
      Anyone want to start a pragmatism party? by vetitice2006-11-20 15:52:18
        Yes, but by subbywan2006-11-20 15:57:44
          Not very pragmatic. (n/t) by vetitice2006-11-20 16:40:13
            That's just you don't know the REAL me :P (n/t) by subbywan2006-11-20 16:50:53
        Sure, I'm in. by Ravenlock2006-11-20 17:28:49
          See!! (n/t) by subbywan2006-11-20 17:38:00
  Let's retroactively draft... by Phoon2006-11-20 14:33:41
    Feel free to try by DesertRat662006-11-20 14:35:06

 

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