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First time firing a pistol. | by Formynder | 2006-09-14 15:34:04 |
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Why? | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 15:39:47 |
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Why not? | by DesertRat66 | 2006-09-14 15:49:17 |
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by Sharku |
2006-09-14 16:04:09 |
...for a long time now. Something that I as a European don't understand when it comes to Americans and their guns. Oftentimes when asked "Why?" the answer'll be "Because it's in the constitution, it's my right to carry arms..." And that seems to be pretty much the whole argument, because it's in the constitution.
Ok, so what if... the constitution got amended, the part about the right to bear arms was taken out? I'm not talking about practicalities or about how much the "gun lobby" would oppose said amendment or even the likelihood of this happening. Purely hypothetically speaking, would American gun owners be as happy to get rid of their guns "because it's in the constitution" as they would buy guns now "because it's in the constitution"? |
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That's a bit of a catch-22. | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 16:07:21 |
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You'd probably have a civil war on your hands | by DesertRat66 | 2006-09-14 16:11:17 |
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LOL again | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:43:02 |
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Yep really safe | by DesertRat66 | 2006-09-14 16:58:53 |
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How is he comparing apples to oranges? | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:00:57 |
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Because we don't know the outcome had | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:02:10 |
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It's still not apples-to-oranges. | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:05:17 |
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Even South Africa?? | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:08:05 |
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Correction: Civilian gun deaths. | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:09:12 |
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Ok, so you're ONLY talking about military | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:10:04 |
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South Africa | by NemoHac | 2006-09-14 17:12:01 |
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Yes, it is actually. | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:13:54 |
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Fair enough. (n/t) | by NemoHac | 2006-09-14 17:29:19 |
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...I specifically said "Correction: Civilian gun | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:12:16 |
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Then the question still stands. | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:21:02 |
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Okay, so I'll amend my statement... | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:37:57 |
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and columbia and venusuela and | by joecrouse | 2006-09-14 19:35:20 |
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its obvious, look at other countries (n/t) | by blub_tm | 2006-09-14 17:05:44 |
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Because that is not the issue | by DesertRat66 | 2006-09-14 19:39:36 |
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Since when was this all about safety? | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 19:47:14 |
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Twice actually | by DesertRat66 | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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And you guys | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 17:01:40 |
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No, the President did that. | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:03:55 |
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Well then why don't people say "because it's my | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 16:44:38 |
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Of course | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:47:48 |
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To live in any nation that does not | by lheggland | 2006-09-14 19:51:46 |
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Well, if this is 'tyrrany', I don't mind. | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 21:05:03 |
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Its a matter of trust, | by lheggland | 2006-09-14 21:24:55 |
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Are you saying your constitution... | by Sharku | 2006-09-14 16:48:07 |
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I can't really explain it. | by Formynder | 2006-09-14 16:52:06 |
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A quick attempt to explain it: | by Formynder | 2006-09-14 16:55:44 |
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LOL | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:58:38 |
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These are reasons | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 16:58:53 |
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People give the same arguments for free speech. | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:00:31 |
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It's a bad reason in that context. | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:02:20 |
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But would we be having this discussion | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:05:03 |
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Depends what they were doing. | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:07:31 |
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excellent. There have been a LOT of offensive | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:09:38 |
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Excuse me? | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:14:12 |
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But we assume that people own guns | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:22:12 |
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No, Sharku wanted to know why | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:42:35 |
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You didn't. | by krikkert | 2006-09-14 19:02:12 |
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Personally | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:52:33 |
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That's what responsible folk here do too. | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 16:54:33 |
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So | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:56:06 |
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Good for you. | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 16:58:20 |
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There are ways of securing a weapon and | by DesertRat66 | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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The reason why we NEED an armed society... | by RetiQlum2 | 2006-09-14 17:06:48 |
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Oh come on, | by Tars_Tarkas | 2006-09-14 17:47:35 |
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O Ye of Little Faith. | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 17:53:07 |
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I think you have a minority opinion. | by hadji | 2006-09-14 18:07:00 |
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...Which sense of 'revolting' do you mean? | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 18:09:13 |
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I plead the fifth. | by hadji | 2006-09-14 18:11:13 |
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...That's what I thought. | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 18:19:22 |
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Hey! I'm supposed to be presumed innocent! :-( ( (n/t) | by hadji | 2006-09-14 18:21:27 |
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Besides, I don't see anything here about . . . | by hadji | 2006-09-14 18:23:16 |
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Arms are arms. | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 18:25:02 |
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ROFL! Brilliant! | by RetiQlum2 | 2006-09-14 18:26:12 |
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Know what's bad? | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 18:28:56 |
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And I didn't realize it until I re-read it after | by hadji | 2006-09-14 18:31:54 |
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Bwaha! :D (n/t) | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 18:36:15 |
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What? A ward?! | by Tars_Tarkas | 2006-09-14 18:42:21 |
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...That would be the thorazine dart. | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 19:02:59 |
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Nope. Sorry. | by hadji | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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Innocent people don't plead the Fifth. | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 18:23:42 |
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Sure they do. | by hadji | 2006-09-14 18:25:54 |
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*thwop* | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 18:30:36 |
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Yes they do. | by raptor_87 | 2006-09-14 20:48:55 |
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Revolution. | by RetiQlum2 | 2006-09-14 16:29:37 |
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That's it | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:46:06 |
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You could say the same thing about human rights | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 16:48:09 |
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Sure | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:49:00 |
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Not talking about the effects. Talking about | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 16:50:14 |
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That last sentence | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:55:03 |
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Unless, of course, you're the one using the | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 16:56:22 |
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And... | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 16:59:40 |
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buglers don't kill | by blub_tm | 2006-09-14 17:00:40 |
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Correct (n/t) | by Sjefen.no | 2006-09-14 17:02:33 |
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What's he going to do anyway, hit you with his | by Arachnid | 2006-09-14 17:05:58 |
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mrmph.. here is your "r" ..... (n/t) | by blub_tm | 2006-09-14 17:08:40 |
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Maybe we just need a better class of burglar then | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:07:34 |
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Then explain the rising rate of murders in England | by RetiQlum2 | 2006-09-14 17:20:37 |
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murder != burglar | by blub_tm | 2006-09-14 17:32:53 |
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Your logic is flawed from the start. | by RetiQlum2 | 2006-09-14 17:40:13 |
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"no sane man"... | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 17:47:04 |
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beeing able to defend yourself increases the risk | by blub_tm | 2006-09-14 18:44:13 |
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not true. | by Formynder | 2006-09-14 18:51:36 |
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I disagree. | by themadkansan | 2006-09-14 19:01:46 |
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Late reply, but I can't resist... | by leistico | 2006-09-14 21:54:14 |
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Hey! Calm down mate | by NemoHac | 2006-09-14 22:21:06 |
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It's a hot button with me | by leistico | 2006-09-14 22:45:23 |
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Yes guns exist. | by NemoHac | 2006-09-14 23:29:31 |
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Look guys, I don't want this to turn into... | by Sharku | 2006-09-14 17:01:41 |
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You should post that to Sjefen.no then | by subbywan | 2006-09-14 17:11:37 |
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That was the end of the thread... | by Sharku | 2006-09-14 17:39:56 |