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Holy cow! 40,000 US deserters since 2000?! by Illiad 2006-11-19 12:55:59
So says the Pentagon...

I think that's something like half the number of the Regular Canadian forces! :-o

[ Reply ]
  Just goes to show .. by subbywan2006-09-08 09:19:54
    Here's the line that makes me groan... by esbita2006-09-08 09:43:02
      Yup. Being a CO is fine if you're drafted by subbywan2006-09-08 09:45:53
      If they sign up for something that was by Peace_man2006-09-08 09:49:48
        You do not sign up for *a* particular war. by esbita2006-09-08 10:03:54
          Under UCMJ you arnt just a tool by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:06:34
            Shaving someone's eyebrow off (just one :) by airborneric2006-09-08 11:16:36
          I take that as a vote for 'legal obligation'. by Peace_man2006-09-08 10:07:40
            You can't always see the "broad picture." by esbita2006-09-08 10:30:14
        Um, it's the MILITARY by subbywan2006-09-08 10:07:41
          ??? by Peace_man2006-09-08 10:14:02
            Um, no, it's not. by subbywan2006-09-08 10:16:11
              I have been told that the oath soldiers give by Peace_man2006-09-08 10:20:34
                Great. Show me where the constitution says by subbywan2006-09-08 10:22:06
                  International law should be followed. I don't by Peace_man2006-09-08 10:25:52
                    So, they're NOT actually bound to it then? by subbywan2006-09-08 10:28:33
                    The constitution Expressly forbids by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:38:32
                The specific oath states by DesertRat662006-09-08 10:29:53
                  Dang it you beat me to it by seconds!!!! by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:39:34
                    I don't by DesertRat662006-09-08 10:42:47
                      I took it once and took it seriously by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:43:32
                        Same here. (n/t) by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 11:17:11
                Formal oaths of allegence by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:36:14
                  As you can see peace_man by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:37:46
                    Hard to find?! by DesertRat662006-09-08 10:40:07
                      Took me 5 mins. wasnt really sure where to look by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:42:49
                    So Officers actually DON'T swear to obey by Tomo2006-09-08 12:31:11
                      I suppose technically by MatthewDBA2006-09-08 12:35:04
                      yup, but tis implicit, not explicit: by subbywan2006-09-08 12:36:12
                      Right Officers are paid to think about thier by joecrouse2006-09-08 12:43:49
              So if a platoon is told to blow up a village of by talon07202006-09-08 10:33:25
                That is very different by DesertRat662006-09-08 10:38:17
                Nope. by subbywan2006-09-08 10:38:46
                Very differant the Enlisted person by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:41:12
            In his(GWB) defence just for the sake of argument by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:18:02
            Got the mission wrong by DesertRat662006-09-08 10:23:55
  That number must be off. by RetiQlum22006-09-08 09:27:25
  Awol just means you went missing by joecrouse2006-09-08 09:32:45
    Sounds to me like they are counting by DesertRat662006-09-08 09:48:10
      Nah. Let them be useful. by subbywan2006-09-08 09:49:13
        One problem I have with that by DesertRat662006-09-08 09:50:15
          Yeah, but think about the folk who have by subbywan2006-09-08 10:05:26
      Ok, so what would you do? by Control2006-09-08 11:27:57
        You suck it up and dont' re-enlist. (n/t) by subbywan2006-09-08 11:28:55
          Cowards solution by Control2006-09-08 11:31:57
            Cowards don't stick their bodies out in by subbywan2006-09-08 11:33:42
              That's BS and you know it by Control2006-09-08 11:39:37
                Um, no. That's not the most important thing by subbywan2006-09-08 11:46:39
                  Then the oath is fundamentally wrong by Control2006-09-08 11:51:11
                    Says you. by subbywan2006-09-08 11:53:41
                    and how many enlisted men were ever tried as war by joecrouse2006-09-08 11:54:32
                      We hear about some ex-SS soldiers getting deported by nix2006-09-08 11:58:28
                        Um, not quite. by subbywan2006-09-08 12:01:33
                          My point is that in either case, Canada punished by nix2006-09-08 12:12:27
                            Did they though? by subbywan2006-09-08 12:15:09
                              Imagine 5 people, all born in 1925 in Germany by nix2006-09-08 12:38:14
                                those are not Punishments by joecrouse2006-09-08 12:41:50
                            deported versus Prison time by joecrouse2006-09-08 12:24:01
                              My point was they were never put on trial by joecrouse2006-09-08 12:24:48
                Ethics got nothing to do with warfare by DesertRat662006-09-08 12:30:19
                  "The best enemy to have ... by subbywan2006-09-08 12:33:36
                  This is exactly why by MatthewDBA2006-09-08 12:34:15
                    It's somewhat different if they're trying by subbywan2006-09-08 12:37:40
                      I don't know whether I would or not. by MatthewDBA2006-09-08 12:42:35
                        Nothing unethical about killing an enemy combatant by subbywan2006-09-08 12:49:36
                          In my mind by MatthewDBA2006-09-08 13:08:45
                            There is a level of greater good... by jdelphiki2006-09-08 14:30:38
              There are still ways to protest by DesertRat662006-09-08 12:23:35
            You suck it up or you break your oath by joecrouse2006-09-08 11:35:48
        Wrong question by DesertRat662006-09-08 12:07:10
          Heh. by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 12:35:27
            Couldn't agree more by DesertRat662006-09-08 12:38:34
              Nope. But I was in commo as well. by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 12:42:58
                I was AF by DesertRat662006-09-08 14:12:46
                  Army National Guard here. by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 14:23:25
            the reasoning of you two makes me sick by lurker692006-09-08 13:56:45
              You got your "facts" way wrong by DesertRat662006-09-08 14:10:35
                I know! by VivianC2006-09-08 14:15:54
                  I think it was Carter. by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 14:25:10
                thank you for pecking on little details by lurker692006-09-08 14:33:03
                  That's democracy for you. by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 14:35:23
  Unless you're currently serving, or have served by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 10:16:41
    dude relax just a tad He was just pointing out by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:19:54
      No, this whole thread just strikes me as by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 10:48:42
        Half the people participating in the thread by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:50:55
          So why bash the military as a whole? (n/t) by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 10:58:53
            WHO is bashing the military as a whole? by Kickstart2006-09-08 11:02:23
            Not one of us has. Mostly just by joecrouse2006-09-08 11:02:40
            I think you're not reading the thread or by DesertRat662006-09-08 11:03:24
              Ah. In that case... by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 11:15:10
                two seperate things there though. by subbywan2006-09-08 11:18:35
                  Protest the government, yes. by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 11:21:23
                    Yes. by subbywan2006-09-08 11:27:42
                There going on at my work too for the next week by DesertRat662006-09-08 11:23:58
                  you should go by subbywan2006-09-08 11:25:03
                    Some how that would probably by joecrouse2006-09-08 11:27:24
                      yeah, but he'd have FUN :D (n/t) by subbywan2006-09-08 11:28:03
                        and cost me my job by DesertRat662006-09-08 11:31:19
                          How so?? by subbywan2006-09-08 11:32:14
                            Trust me by DesertRat662006-09-08 11:54:33
                              "If you run, you'll just die tired" (n/t) by subbywan2006-09-08 11:56:19
                                More subtle by DesertRat662006-09-08 12:00:00
                                Ahh ... electrified door handles, by subbywan2006-09-08 12:03:02
                                Naaah, hit the organization's web page. by esbita2006-09-08 12:06:01
                                A site only Stef would love. (n/t) by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 12:06:55
                                butteredllamasgonewild.com? (n/t) by subbywan2006-09-08 12:07:54
                                real site.... "ilovebutter-dot-com" >;-> (n/t) by classic_jon2006-09-08 12:09:30
                                I'd send it by DesertRat662006-11-19 12:55:59
                                A weee bit more obvious by DesertRat662006-09-08 12:17:56
                                Completely block google. (n/t) by joecrouse2006-09-08 12:40:18
          And friends of people in the military. (n/t) by hadji2006-09-08 13:25:04
        DR66 anti-military? That's insane. (n/t) by RetiQlum22006-09-08 10:51:11
        Points to both my knees (which by the way by joecrouse2006-09-08 10:52:09
        One point... by Kickstart2006-09-08 10:57:41
        dude, illiad is probably as, if not more pro- by subbywan2006-09-08 10:58:18
    wwhat exactly are you mad about? by gibuu2006-09-08 10:32:34
    Huh? by RetiQlum22006-09-08 10:37:34
      Further, there is a rule on this board by Kickstart2006-09-08 10:47:24
        Hehe, I would think something was wrong if by classic_jon2006-09-08 11:07:05
      Just remember... by TheRantingGeek2006-09-08 10:50:43
        I do know that. by RetiQlum22006-09-08 10:54:14
        We know that. by nix2006-09-08 12:02:40
          Not really irrelevant. by hadji2006-09-08 13:38:59
    Knee jerk much? (n/t) by Illiad2006-09-08 12:25:39
  Only other number I could find... by Ravenlock2006-11-19 12:55:59
    Just FYI by DesertRat662006-09-08 10:31:20
      Yes, but again, by Ravenlock2006-09-08 10:41:14
  Show me the numbers by VivianC2006-09-08 10:30:58
    agreed by gibuu2006-09-08 10:35:00

 

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