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A simpler version of yesterday's "What's a bird?" by BaruMonkey2006-11-19 12:55:59
  ANYTHING by daemon_poet2006-07-26 07:49:45
    Is a stone a chair by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 07:50:39
      Is a chair a chair by bitflipper2006-07-26 07:52:15
        Yes. by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 07:54:12
          Perception is the key by bitflipper2006-07-26 07:56:32
            You can't say "how long is the chair a chair" by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 07:58:45
              Sure I can; who says I actually have to make sense by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:03:12
                Hmm, I think I see your point... by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:22:12
                  While you're chewing... by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:27:09
                    Hmm, not sure I agree by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:29:50
                      Where's the problem? by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:36:35
                        I still disagree by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:38:36
                          So there is an ideal chair? by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:41:09
                            There is an ideal chair. by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:42:42
                              Oh, how to attack that one? by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:51:53
                                Just because the mind of God by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:59:41
                                But if the ideal of a chair exists by bitflipper2006-07-26 09:08:36
                                I'm not clear here by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 09:15:20
                                It still all boils down to a chair only existing.. by bitflipper2006-07-26 09:49:05
                                Well, by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 10:03:40
                                Then what we are left with is... by bitflipper2006-07-26 10:45:22
                                If it is possible that you by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 11:04:08
                                O-kay, I understand "necessarily", in that context by bitflipper 2006-07-26 11:52:26
However, I invoke the mighty powers of the Weak Anthropic Principle! <great roll of thunder> "If conditions were other than those which give rise to our existence, we would be unable to remark upon the fact." It's all very well to say "if things were otherwise, I would not be here", but the self-evident fact is that I am here. It may be a conditional existence, but it is one which excludes all other possibilities. Of all the possible universes, and all the possible courses history could have taken, the only one which truly could have happened is the one which, in fact, did happen, and I am here as proof of that. That's as close to necessity as makes no difference. The only thing separating that which you are calling God from myself, then, is that God needs no antecedent. Being self-born, that is precisely what one would expect of Him.

But what antecedent is required for the Universe? I hold that the Universe, itself, is self-born (of course, I would, wouldn't I; I am a self-confessed pantheist, after all). Being, as I am, a consequence of the Universe, then there is a view from which I, too, have no antecedent -- I am not just this body typing these words, but am in fact the sum total of all events which occur from the beginning of the Universe until this moment at which this body types these words.


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                                Nice one by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 12:29:31
                                Trouble is.. by bitflipper2006-07-26 12:42:37

 

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