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A simpler version of yesterday's "What's a bird?" by BaruMonkey2006-11-19 12:55:59
  ANYTHING by daemon_poet2006-07-26 07:49:45
    Is a stone a chair by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 07:50:39
      Is a chair a chair by bitflipper2006-07-26 07:52:15
        Yes. by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 07:54:12
          Perception is the key by bitflipper2006-07-26 07:56:32
            You can't say "how long is the chair a chair" by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 07:58:45
              Sure I can; who says I actually have to make sense by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:03:12
                Hmm, I think I see your point... by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:22:12
                  While you're chewing... by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:27:09
                    Hmm, not sure I agree by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:29:50
                      Where's the problem? by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:36:35
                        I still disagree by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:38:36
                          So there is an ideal chair? by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:41:09
                            There is an ideal chair. by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 08:42:42
                              Oh, how to attack that one? by bitflipper2006-07-26 08:51:53
                                Just because the mind of God by MatthewDBA 2006-07-26 08:59:41
can only be known from its perception doesn't mean that it doesn't exist without that perception. That's part of a Platonistic understanding of God: as ... I can't remember his name, a contemporary theologian ... said, "To be God is to be to-be." That is, one definition of God could be "that whose nature is to exist". Thus, the ideal of a chair is not simply something we perceive, but something that just is, independent of our perception.

As far as the empirical view: I could perhaps "show" you this God of which/whom I speak, but how do we decide on the rules governing evidence of God's existence? As far as whether there is reason to prefer his concept of "chair" to (e.g.) yours as an ideal (supposing that we agree that he exists), the reasoning above still holds: His concept of chair is preferred because it exists independent of perception.

[ Reply ]
                                But if the ideal of a chair exists by bitflipper2006-07-26 09:08:36
                                I'm not clear here by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 09:15:20
                                It still all boils down to a chair only existing.. by bitflipper2006-07-26 09:49:05
                                re-phrase by bitflipper2006-07-26 10:02:06
                                Well, by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 10:03:40
                                Then what we are left with is... by bitflipper2006-07-26 10:45:22
                                If it is possible that you by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 11:04:08
                                O-kay, I understand "necessarily", in that context by bitflipper2006-07-26 11:52:26
                                Nice one by MatthewDBA2006-07-26 12:29:31
                                Trouble is.. by bitflipper2006-07-26 12:42:37

 

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