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Defending Marriage by Illiad 2006-11-19 12:55:59
Interesting article written by an anthropologist on the "Marriage as an institution" debate that points out how marriage is slowly becoming an empty ritual.

Salient quote: Be that as it may, I think conservatives are right about one thing: if the institution of marriage is going to survive, it does need defending. Not because marriage is the only or best source of truly moral living, but precisely the opposite: marriage is increasingly irrelevant in modern society.

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  havent read the article by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:02:18
    Then you might want to read the article. by Illiad2006-06-22 09:03:00
      ok read it by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:22:43
        Anthropologically speaking... by Illiad2006-06-22 09:25:15
          not one that would be accepted by this board by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:26:59
            You're right. by Illiad2006-06-22 09:29:22
            Unified attempt by SoylentGreen2006-06-22 09:36:14
              i second that (n/t) by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:46:48
              A unified attempt from where, though? by hadji2006-06-22 10:55:32
                Ooohhh -- I like that... (n/t) by Zyxian2006-06-22 13:52:03
                  I don't. It saddens me. by hadji2006-06-22 14:41:07
                    while(posts_like_these) by vetitice2006-06-22 15:02:05
                    I meant I like the analogy. (n/t) by Zyxian2006-06-22 15:32:55
            Destroy it how? by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 09:40:58
              Nobody mentioned gay marriage until you piped in by altordwm2006-06-22 09:44:55
                Okay then, by nix2006-06-22 09:47:54
                  constant redefinition by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:50:15
                    So people who are religious by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 09:52:09
                      I'm saying people by and large are stupid by tesla_koil2006-06-22 10:00:56
                        So what movement to destroy marriage by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:08:30
                          you know that maybe the best way to describe the by tesla_koil2006-06-22 10:24:50
                            Only because the 'American' by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:38:06
                              "Christian," or "European"? by esbita2006-06-22 10:57:28
                                Religion or Culture by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 11:01:58
                                You can argue that then, but now? by esbita2006-06-22 11:06:57
                            How does someone else's definition by SoylentGreen2006-06-22 10:53:10
                        Not much better in some Catholic circles by esbita2006-06-22 10:09:25
                          You don't think it is? What are you hiding? by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:17:23
                            But the oppression would never happen! by esbita2006-06-22 10:20:59
                              I know it's wrong, but when I read 'shepherd and by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:25:34
                                UUUUUGGGH!!!! (n/t) by esbita2006-06-22 10:26:29
                          hehehe....n/t by pointlessshrew2006-06-22 15:29:59
                  It's the "if they can do it, so can I" argument. by merlin2006-06-22 09:51:57
                    I'm pretty sure that pre-marital sex has been happ by Concept2006-06-22 10:42:23
                That's why my second sentence by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 09:50:08
                  Thank you for missing the point the second time. ( (n/t) by altordwm2006-06-22 10:01:03
                    What point? by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:10:42
                  How about this: WHO defines marriage? by esbita2006-06-22 10:07:52
                    My point is by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:16:17
                      Agreed, to a point. by esbita2006-06-22 10:23:42
                        It was a quick example to get a grin :) by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:35:21
                          I would be all for more of a waiting period by esbita2006-06-22 10:46:53
                            You can please some people some of the time... by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:50:21
                              Oh yes, please please me! by Spiff2006-06-22 11:06:17
                        Breathalyzers. (n/t) by Pic2006-06-22 11:09:31
                          :-D by esbita2006-06-22 11:15:26
                    Just 60 years or so ago it was by Zyxian2006-06-22 12:47:31
                      Somebody already beat you to that point by esbita2006-06-22 12:57:33
                        I haven't read all the posts so I... by Zyxian2006-06-22 13:49:36
              bob + joe <> marriage by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:48:05
                Not according... by Illiad2006-06-22 09:49:39
                  in that group yes by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:51:16
                    Eh? by Illiad2006-06-22 09:52:34
                      s'cuse me by tesla_koil2006-06-22 09:55:59
                        I'm atheist. I'm married. by vetitice2006-06-22 09:58:58
                          your belief is your athiesm by tesla_koil2006-06-22 10:01:45
                            I am an agnostic, I am also married. (n/t) by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:04:32
                            So, in your view, can agnostics (like me) "marry"? (n/t) by BaruMonkey2006-06-22 10:04:46
                              you can marry, but you cannot convince by shminux2006-06-22 10:06:58
                                you can be "married" by tesla_koil2006-06-22 10:12:00
                                Understood. (n/t) by BaruMonkey2006-06-22 10:13:31
                                So why did you say by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:18:28
                                I would also like to know by chrisP2006-06-22 10:20:23
                                Defining a traditional marriage: by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:28:56
                                :-D by chrisP2006-06-22 10:43:52
                                Speaking of which, by Feng_Li2006-06-22 11:07:47
                            But I don't believe in atheism. :-p (n/t) by vetitice2006-06-22 10:11:19
                              Then either you contradict yourself or by BaruMonkey2006-06-22 10:12:54
                                Oh, yes.. I guess I'm strong agnostic. by vetitice2006-06-22 10:17:55
                        I'm referring to just that. by Illiad2006-06-22 10:01:21
                          but it flips back and forth by tesla_koil2006-06-22 10:09:09
                            There is no objective truth, as far as social by shminux2006-06-22 10:18:16
                You are avoiding my question by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 09:56:10
                  it wouldn't by tesla_koil2006-06-22 10:18:51
                    The I ask why did you say by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 10:24:08
                    Does anyone have to recognize your marriage? by tallastro2006-06-22 10:39:00
                      Why have separate versions legally? by BloodyViking2006-06-22 10:45:11
                        That didn't come out right. by tallastro2006-06-22 10:53:09
                          They already Are separate. by BloodyViking2006-06-22 11:32:07
                            But they use the Same word by tallastro2006-06-22 12:13:51
                              +++Can+++ occur at the same ceremony. by BloodyViking2006-06-22 12:39:46
                                And for many +++do+++ happen at the same time. by tallastro2006-06-22 13:25:00
                                SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, by BloodyViking2006-06-22 14:43:42
                                Shut UP!! Bloody Vikings (n/t) by tallastro2006-06-22 14:58:49
            There are more traditions than just yours. by BloodyViking2006-06-22 10:30:01
              cause there more of us by tesla_koil2006-06-22 11:06:05
                Maybe in this country, but by BloodyViking2006-06-22 11:14:22
                  where do you find by tesla_koil2006-06-22 11:49:17
                    In the first amendment. (n/t) by hej2006-06-22 11:54:44
  Slowly becoming? by hadji2006-06-22 09:03:39
    I have a "been". But you need it more than I do. (n/t) by Esteis2006-06-22 09:13:24
    Social forces? by Illiad2006-06-22 09:22:04
  wow. That article really makes me wish by voxwoman2006-06-22 09:24:21
  One thing the article fails to point out: by Peace_man2006-06-22 09:25:39
  In either view, the individual is just a pawn. by esbita2006-06-22 09:35:38
    You worded it a bit more strongly, by Feng_Li2006-06-22 09:41:06
      My feathers are ruffled atm. by esbita2006-06-22 09:43:18
  In the conclusion, he says by Feng_Li2006-06-22 09:35:47
    :-D thought I'd read "Marxist Feminists". by kahuana2006-06-22 09:42:29
      Sure, but by Feng_Li2006-06-22 09:46:22
    You miss the point. Two actually. by shminux2006-06-22 09:44:43
      I would argue that a parental relationship by Feng_Li2006-06-22 09:52:40
    He definitely takes child rearing too lightly by hyzenthlay2006-06-22 09:44:48
    Whether it ought to be or not... by Peace_man2006-06-22 09:46:20
      At the same time, individual choice by Feng_Li2006-06-22 09:49:42
        There is more to life than money, as well. by esbita2006-06-22 09:52:31
    I am not Marxist! by trogl2006-06-22 11:27:02
      *hands red flag* by chrisP2006-06-22 11:52:38
        You don't, ... by BrainBug2006-06-22 13:55:59
  I hear it's all but gone in Quebec... (n/t) by shminux2006-06-22 09:37:13
    Then why are all of my friends/family getting marr by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 09:52:54
      Depends on if those 2nd-timers were widow(er)s or by kahuana2006-06-22 09:59:45
        Doesn't depend at all by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:10:44
          Non-francophones in Quebec??? Preposterous! :-) by kahuana2006-06-22 10:30:06
            To tell the truth by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:41:52
              Quebecois. by Pic2006-06-22 11:18:21
                That's not what the voices tell me by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 11:32:47
                  Uhhh, ma'am? by esbita2006-06-22 12:58:24
            Unless I'm wrong... by Feng_Li2006-06-22 10:56:23
              There are three linguistic divides in Quebec by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 11:01:13
                *makes mental note* by Feng_Li2006-06-22 11:04:32
                  This isn't French, it's just Quebec (n/t) by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 11:07:43
      My sources are from gc.ca: by shminux2006-06-22 10:23:46
        That statistic doesn't talk about marriage by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:37:25
          As Samual Clemens once said by Jito4632006-06-22 10:43:20
  Is he recomending we be institutionalized? by hieraco2006-06-22 10:05:11
    We should form a support group! by kahuana2006-06-22 10:31:14
      The Other, Other, Other, Other Attack on Marriage by Miss L. Anyus2006-06-22 10:45:12
  Okay, so it's convenient... by jdelphiki2006-06-22 11:16:06
    I agree 100%. by Peace_man2006-06-22 11:26:51

 

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