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Iran Defiantly Rejects New U.N. Demands by DesertRat662006-11-19 12:55:59
  You hear a colective groan of by lheggland2006-03-30 10:12:02
    but Desert Storm was over ten years ago! by Peace_man2006-03-30 10:19:16
      I would be refering to OIF/Desert Storm Mk II. by lheggland2006-03-30 10:31:38
        I beg your pardon? by Control2006-03-30 10:38:41
          Not per everyones Intel. by lheggland2006-03-30 10:51:57
            A worse mistake was NOT going in by rorajoey2006-03-30 10:59:42
              There have been a lot of mistakes made by DesertRat662006-03-30 11:08:48
                Further than that. by Tomo2006-03-30 12:01:43
                  There's that western value mistake again by DesertRat662006-03-30 12:19:56
                    That is exactly the mistake we made in Ireland. by Tomo2006-03-30 12:48:30
                      That approach WILL NOT work in the middle east by DesertRat662006-03-30 13:20:37
                        I am not convinced by vdp2006-03-30 13:36:29
                          I know the culture by DesertRat662006-11-19 12:55:59
                            Japan's surrender by vdp2006-11-19 12:55:59
                              Do you understand that the only reason Japan by classic_jon2006-03-30 15:40:11
                                There is a difference between by vdp 2006-03-30 16:06:36
"crushing their entire civilization" and "shock to their culture".

Japan did not surrender until after the second atomic bomb, and after the Soviets ran over their Northern armies in China. However, it was the government that surrendered. And it wasn't unanimous - there was a coup attempt by some younger officers, and had Umezu, the top Japanese general, supported the coup, even then it would not have been enough, and the war would have continued.

For the regular Japanese it was business as usual - the emperor says "fight to the death," we'll fight. The emperor says don't fight - we'll extend a welcome to the Americans. This to me is not a drastic change to the culture of the people. It may be a drastic change to the state institution, but that is different.
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                                I understand what you are saying but in by Classic_jon2006-03-30 17:40:10
                                I think we are talking past each other by vdp2006-03-30 20:05:45

 

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