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Police shot non-terrorist in London | by Kickstart | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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Oh, and where the hell do you get off calling him | by fallow | 2005-07-24 00:29:03 |
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by Kickstart |
2005-07-24 00:49:22 |
And in very similar circumstances. And generally, suicidal people are mentally ill. I really feel bad for the guy, his family, AND the cops who did this. They had to make a decision and unfortunately they chose the wrong one. But I bet if you were in the same position with the same circumstances and the same orders and the same training you would have made the same choice. I know I would have.
As well, even if he was not suicidal and/or mentally ill, he did a very stupid thing. And really the fact that he grew up in rough Brazil is not a good enough reason. He'd been in England for 3 years...plenty long enough for him to get used the the fact that things don't work that way.
In the end, blame the terrorists, not the cops. The terrorists are the ones who are hellbent on creating this climate of fear.
Kickstart |
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Although I have not seen eye-to-eye with KS | by schwing1 | 2005-07-24 00:59:47 |
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We expect more. | by Didactylos | 2005-07-24 02:22:41 |
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What would you have done? | by McGowan | 2005-07-24 03:37:49 |
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Not this situation. | by LionsPhil | 2005-07-24 08:04:35 |
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Don't forget you could be the next victim | by Cokish | 2005-07-24 03:18:05 |
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Equally so, he could be the next victim of | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 03:20:22 |
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No I can't. | by VivianC | 2005-07-24 18:34:29 |
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You can only blame the terrorists to a point | by Liava | 2005-07-24 01:01:39 |
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Five rounds | by wheresthefish | 2005-07-24 03:53:14 |
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So will one round at point-blank range | by Liava | 2005-07-24 10:00:54 |
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People can and have survived | by wheresthefish | 2005-07-24 11:06:33 |
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Five won't absolutely kill, either | by Liava | 2005-07-24 11:16:17 |
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There are no guarantees in this | by wheresthefish | 2005-07-24 11:43:35 |
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Not really | by Liava | 2005-07-24 11:51:35 |
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Certainties are myths | by TheGM | 2005-07-24 12:01:56 |
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Nice straw man | by Liava | 2005-07-24 12:13:21 |
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Nice insult | by TheGM | 2005-07-24 12:31:17 |
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There was no insult | by Liava | 2005-07-24 12:36:15 |
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How do you define sufficiently small odds? | by TheGM | 2005-07-24 13:03:59 |
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Perhaps you should explain what you meant by straw | by Martyny | 2005-07-24 13:04:21 |
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It's a logical fallacy, | by LionsPhil | 2005-07-24 14:20:34 |
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Interesting | by Martyny | 2005-07-24 14:58:39 |
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I know that you're not seriously advocating | by wheresthefish | 2005-07-24 13:04:15 |
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No, I'm not advocating that | by Liava | 2005-07-24 13:23:48 |
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DR appears to have answered that already. (n/t) | by wheresthefish | 2005-07-24 13:34:55 |
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Yeah, I saw your post first | by Liava | 2005-07-24 13:47:19 |
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who cares? | by SewerRat | 2005-07-24 22:44:42 |
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No it won't | by DesertRat66 | 2005-07-24 13:10:38 |
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OK | by Liava | 2005-07-24 13:26:06 |
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It's an iffy thing | by DesertRat66 | 2005-07-24 14:18:59 |
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Five rounds is "mowing"? | by VivianC | 2005-07-24 18:39:11 |
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So we follow the American lead then? | by fallow | 2005-07-24 01:03:32 |
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When you've been a cop, you can take that attitude | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 01:14:56 |
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What "attitude"? | by fallow | 2005-07-24 01:23:22 |
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But if you were to comment on the technical | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 01:59:41 |
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BULLPUCKEY! (n/t) | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 02:04:17 |
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How erudite. Your facility in rational, reasonable | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 02:37:15 |
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Maybe if you stopped talking rubbish... | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 02:41:06 |
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You appear to be incapable of reading today. | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 03:01:26 |
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State where, please. | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 03:04:35 |
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Once again, a simple word has eluded your | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 03:12:16 |
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Give me the courtesy of an answer, please. (n/t) | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 03:14:03 |
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When you become a courteous person, | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 03:18:11 |
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Sorry, adiplomat. (n/t) | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 03:18:56 |
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If you're going to insult peoples' intelligence | by arachnid | 2005-07-24 03:20:02 |
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He started rude, and got ruder. I shouldn't | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 03:23:31 |
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If that were true... | by fallow | 2005-07-24 02:08:46 |
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Assumption? | by Didactylos | 2005-07-24 02:17:24 |
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Or whether they acted appropriately | by Kickstart | 2005-07-24 02:18:31 |
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Counselling, more like. | by Didactylos | 2005-07-24 02:26:34 |
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Ok well when the next suicide bomber comes along | by McGowan | 2005-07-24 03:33:32 |
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A 'sensible suicide bomber' | by arachnid | 2005-07-24 03:56:47 |
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Indeed. | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 03:57:50 |
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I wouldn't say that... | by imperito | 2005-07-24 04:02:44 |
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Improv explosives, with a short usable lifetime. | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 04:07:12 |
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Or perhaps... | by imperito | 2005-07-24 04:09:39 |
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True... | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 04:10:29 |
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Bear in mind, of course, | by LionsPhil | 2005-07-24 08:27:03 |
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There is that little detail, yes... (n/t) | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 08:29:27 |
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I wouldn't say that... | by LionsPhil | 2005-07-24 08:17:08 |
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Let them. | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 08:18:16 |
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Unfortunately, you also have the problem... | by Liava | 2005-07-24 10:04:36 |
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Hence the requesting proof. | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 10:07:07 |
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Perhaps | by Liava | 2005-07-24 10:09:28 |
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I've also slowed them... | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 11:06:18 |
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KS, wouldn't the people who live in Britain... | by Arivia | 2005-07-24 02:27:28 |
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Every single one of them? | by arachnid | 2005-07-24 02:34:33 |
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Sure. | by Arivia | 2005-07-24 02:41:46 |
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I don't see him 'forcing' or 'attacking' anyone. | by arachnid | 2005-07-24 02:48:55 |
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It's all a difference of opinions... (n/t) | by Arivia | 2005-07-24 02:52:18 |
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Seconded | by fitzso | 2005-07-24 13:59:30 |
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Where is KS forcing or attacking anyone? | by LionsPhil | 2005-07-24 08:15:39 |
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Is this where we get the speech... | by Liava | 2005-07-24 01:25:21 |
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I think there is a difference. | by McGowan | 2005-07-24 03:47:55 |
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Perhaps you're right | by Liava | 2005-07-24 09:42:09 |
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Here ya go: | by McGowan | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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It's still very light on the details. | by fitzso | 2005-07-24 14:27:55 |
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So what made you change your mind? | by arachnid | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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Apples and oranges. In one, I'm discussing | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 03:50:53 |
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Not really | by arachnid | 2005-07-24 03:59:04 |
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Again, I'm not denying the right to an opinion. | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 04:23:29 |
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BULLPUCKY! :P | by Arivia | 2005-07-24 04:25:34 |
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With the smiley it does come off better, | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 04:28:42 |
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Look who's quashing other's opinions again... | by LionsPhil | 2005-07-24 08:10:28 |
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Nah. I'm no competition to you. (n/t) | by Evil_Minion | 2005-07-24 23:14:54 |
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As a non-cop... | by VivianC | 2005-07-24 18:49:34 |
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Based on reports so far it was a good shoot | by DesertRat66 | 2005-07-24 13:16:43 |
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From the perspective of the police | by Liava | 2005-07-24 13:57:07 |
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Better opportunity perhaps | by fitzso | 2005-07-24 14:06:32 |
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It was a perfect opportunity | by Liava | 2005-07-24 14:17:19 |
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Sure | by fitzso | 2005-07-24 14:32:20 |
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Interestingly enough | by wheresthefish | 2006-11-19 12:55:59 |
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It may not have been, but... | by fitzso | 2005-07-24 14:47:04 |
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People keep mentioning badges | by TheGM | 2005-07-24 14:13:45 |
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You still haven't said.. | by fallow | 2005-07-24 02:14:39 |
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Running from people who... | by Kickstart | 2005-07-24 02:17:22 |
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The details are unclear. | by fallow | 2005-07-24 02:22:36 |
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I agree | by Kickstart | 2005-07-24 02:25:22 |
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Yes it is. | by timemaster | 2005-07-24 04:15:29 |
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If he is a suspected suicide bomber... | by McNutcase | 2005-07-24 04:20:00 |
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Shoot to wound? | by Illiad | 2005-07-24 16:24:56 |
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Out of date... | by VivianC | 2005-07-24 19:40:22 |
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You misunderstand. | by Illiad | 2005-07-25 12:44:16 |
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Suicide-by-cop is so rare | by Didactylos | 2005-07-24 02:47:05 |