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Police shot non-terrorist in London by Kickstart 2006-11-19 12:55:59
here - However, I think the police did the right thing, with a couple assumptions.

  • That the police were not plainclothesmen...otherwise he might have assumed that they were just idiots looking to beat up a minority.
  • That he didn't stop when told to...and apparently could understand English.
  • That the police didn't shoot him for the crime of having dark skin.
Sad, but wholly understandable that the police didn't take chances. My thought is that this guy was either mentally ill or this was suicide-by-cop. In any case, I'm glad that the police acted for the safety of the public.

KS

[ Reply ]
  Apparently they were plainclothes. by fallow2006-11-19 12:55:59
  Frankly the whole thing angers and scares me. by fallow2005-07-24 00:26:41
    Agreed. by Arivia2005-07-24 00:30:43
      Disagreed. by SewerRat2005-07-24 22:38:02
  From the article by Liava2005-07-24 00:26:52
    I'd love to agree with your last statement by hieraco2005-07-24 04:24:50
  Oh, and where the hell do you get off calling him by fallow2005-07-24 00:29:03
    Suicide-by-cop is not at all unknown by Kickstart2005-07-24 00:49:22
      Although I have not seen eye-to-eye with KS by schwing12005-07-24 00:59:47
        We expect more. by Didactylos2005-07-24 02:22:41
          What would you have done? by McGowan2005-07-24 03:37:49
          Not this situation. by LionsPhil2005-07-24 08:04:35
        Don't forget you could be the next victim by Cokish2005-07-24 03:18:05
          Equally so, he could be the next victim of by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 03:20:22
          No I can't. by VivianC2005-07-24 18:34:29
      You can only blame the terrorists to a point by Liava2005-07-24 01:01:39
        Five rounds by wheresthefish2005-07-24 03:53:14
          So will one round at point-blank range by Liava2005-07-24 10:00:54
            People can and have survived by wheresthefish2005-07-24 11:06:33
              Five won't absolutely kill, either by Liava2005-07-24 11:16:17
                There are no guarantees in this by wheresthefish2005-07-24 11:43:35
                  Not really by Liava2005-07-24 11:51:35
                    Certainties are myths by TheGM2005-07-24 12:01:56
                      Nice straw man by Liava2005-07-24 12:13:21
                        Nice insult by TheGM2005-07-24 12:31:17
                          There was no insult by Liava2005-07-24 12:36:15
                            How do you define sufficiently small odds? by TheGM2005-07-24 13:03:59
                            Perhaps you should explain what you meant by straw by Martyny2005-07-24 13:04:21
                              It's a logical fallacy, by LionsPhil2005-07-24 14:20:34
                                Interesting by Martyny2005-07-24 14:58:39
                    I know that you're not seriously advocating by wheresthefish2005-07-24 13:04:15
                      No, I'm not advocating that by Liava2005-07-24 13:23:48
                        DR appears to have answered that already. (n/t) by wheresthefish2005-07-24 13:34:55
                          Yeah, I saw your post first by Liava2005-07-24 13:47:19
                        who cares? by SewerRat2005-07-24 22:44:42
            No it won't by DesertRat662005-07-24 13:10:38
              OK by Liava2005-07-24 13:26:06
                It's an iffy thing by DesertRat662005-07-24 14:18:59
            Five rounds is "mowing"? by VivianC2005-07-24 18:39:11
      So we follow the American lead then? by fallow2005-07-24 01:03:32
        When you've been a cop, you can take that attitude by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 01:14:56
          What "attitude"? by fallow2005-07-24 01:23:22
            But if you were to comment on the technical by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 01:59:41
              BULLPUCKEY! (n/t) by McNutcase2005-07-24 02:04:17
                How erudite. Your facility in rational, reasonable by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 02:37:15
                  Maybe if you stopped talking rubbish... by McNutcase2005-07-24 02:41:06
                    You appear to be incapable of reading today. by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 03:01:26
                      State where, please. by McNutcase2005-07-24 03:04:35
                        Once again, a simple word has eluded your by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 03:12:16
                          Give me the courtesy of an answer, please. (n/t) by McNutcase2005-07-24 03:14:03
                            When you become a courteous person, by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 03:18:11
                              Sorry, adiplomat. (n/t) by McNutcase2005-07-24 03:18:56
                          If you're going to insult peoples' intelligence by arachnid2005-07-24 03:20:02
                            He started rude, and got ruder. I shouldn't by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 03:23:31
              If that were true... by fallow2005-07-24 02:08:46
              Assumption? by Didactylos2005-07-24 02:17:24
                Or whether they acted appropriately by Kickstart2005-07-24 02:18:31
                  Counselling, more like. by Didactylos2005-07-24 02:26:34
                    Ok well when the next suicide bomber comes along by McGowan2005-07-24 03:33:32
                      A 'sensible suicide bomber' by arachnid2005-07-24 03:56:47
                        Indeed. by McNutcase2005-07-24 03:57:50
                          I wouldn't say that... by imperito2005-07-24 04:02:44
                            Improv explosives, with a short usable lifetime. by McNutcase2005-07-24 04:07:12
                              Or perhaps... by imperito2005-07-24 04:09:39
                                True... by McNutcase2005-07-24 04:10:29
                              Bear in mind, of course, by LionsPhil2005-07-24 08:27:03
                                There is that little detail, yes... (n/t) by McNutcase2005-07-24 08:29:27
                          I wouldn't say that... by LionsPhil2005-07-24 08:17:08
                            Let them. by McNutcase2005-07-24 08:18:16
                              Unfortunately, you also have the problem... by Liava2005-07-24 10:04:36
                                Hence the requesting proof. by McNutcase2005-07-24 10:07:07
                                Perhaps by Liava2005-07-24 10:09:28
                                I've also slowed them... by McNutcase2005-07-24 11:06:18
                  KS, wouldn't the people who live in Britain... by Arivia2005-07-24 02:27:28
                    Every single one of them? by arachnid2005-07-24 02:34:33
                      Sure. by Arivia2005-07-24 02:41:46
                        I don't see him 'forcing' or 'attacking' anyone. by arachnid2005-07-24 02:48:55
                          It's all a difference of opinions... (n/t) by Arivia2005-07-24 02:52:18
                          Seconded by fitzso2005-07-24 13:59:30
                        Where is KS forcing or attacking anyone? by LionsPhil2005-07-24 08:15:39
          Is this where we get the speech... by Liava2005-07-24 01:25:21
            I think there is a difference. by McGowan2005-07-24 03:47:55
              Perhaps you're right by Liava2005-07-24 09:42:09
                Here ya go: by McGowan2006-11-19 12:55:59
                  It's still very light on the details. by fitzso2005-07-24 14:27:55
          So what made you change your mind? by arachnid2006-11-19 12:55:59
            Apples and oranges. In one, I'm discussing by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 03:50:53
              Not really by arachnid2005-07-24 03:59:04
                Again, I'm not denying the right to an opinion. by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 04:23:29
                  BULLPUCKY! :P by Arivia2005-07-24 04:25:34
                    With the smiley it does come off better, by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 04:28:42
          Look who's quashing other's opinions again... by LionsPhil2005-07-24 08:10:28
            Nah. I'm no competition to you. (n/t) by Evil_Minion2005-07-24 23:14:54
          As a non-cop... by VivianC2005-07-24 18:49:34
        Based on reports so far it was a good shoot by DesertRat662005-07-24 13:16:43
          From the perspective of the police by Liava2005-07-24 13:57:07
            Better opportunity perhaps by fitzso2005-07-24 14:06:32
              It was a perfect opportunity by Liava2005-07-24 14:17:19
                Sure by fitzso2005-07-24 14:32:20
                Interestingly enough by wheresthefish2006-11-19 12:55:59
                  It may not have been, but... by fitzso2005-07-24 14:47:04
            People keep mentioning badges by TheGM2005-07-24 14:13:45
      You still haven't said.. by fallow2005-07-24 02:14:39
        Running from people who... by Kickstart2005-07-24 02:17:22
          The details are unclear. by fallow2005-07-24 02:22:36
            I agree by Kickstart2005-07-24 02:25:22
          Yes it is. by timemaster2005-07-24 04:15:29
            If he is a suspected suicide bomber... by McNutcase2005-07-24 04:20:00
            Shoot to wound? by Illiad2005-07-24 16:24:56
              Out of date... by VivianC2005-07-24 19:40:22
                You misunderstand. by Illiad2005-07-25 12:44:16
      Suicide-by-cop is so rare by Didactylos2005-07-24 02:47:05
  You assume to much. The police F'd up. by Cokish2005-07-24 02:05:55
    Here's the reason by fitzso2005-07-24 14:34:58
  <sarcasm>Really?</sarcasm> by Didactylos2005-07-24 02:12:42
    Strawman by Kickstart2005-07-24 02:16:24
      So, you posted this exciting news today... by Didactylos2005-07-24 02:32:59
        Those cops were not far behind him. by McGowan2005-07-24 03:26:02
  I Can't imagine having much choice. by McGowan2005-07-24 03:24:15
  From what I've been able to determine by wheresthefish2005-07-24 03:46:02
    Agreed. by LionsPhil2005-07-24 07:55:30
      Stun bullets would actually be a nice invention... (n/t) by krikkert2005-07-24 08:01:36
        Oh, indeed. by LionsPhil2005-07-24 08:07:26
          Not to mention by TheGM2005-07-24 09:41:36
            Same reason they went for headshots... by McNutcase2005-07-24 09:47:58
              Well, that depends on the nature of the boom. by LionsPhil2005-07-24 10:24:20
                Based on the boom used on the 7th... by McNutcase2005-07-24 11:05:14
                  I dunno... by wheresthefish2005-07-24 11:09:33
                    Heh. by LionsPhil2005-07-24 11:14:37
                    It was what the stuff used on the 7th degrades to. by McNutcase2005-07-24 11:37:35
        *ahem* tranq darts by Kickstart2005-07-24 09:54:07
          Speed? by TheGM2005-07-24 09:57:19
            And that's only ONE of the reasons. (n/t) by McNutcase2005-07-24 10:00:29
          Several reasons. by McNutcase2005-07-24 10:00:07
            The potential lethality of non-lethal weapons by LionsPhil2005-07-24 10:25:45
              I agree wholeheartedly. by TheGM2005-07-24 10:40:46
          Er, because they don't fit the bill? by LionsPhil2005-07-24 10:23:29
  Remind me never to visit London. by Shadowclaw2005-07-24 04:36:35
    Knee jerking much? (n/t) by wheresthefish2005-07-24 05:24:38
      I think it's embedded in his chin. (n/t) by LionsPhil2005-07-24 07:36:13
    Don't know where you are from, but I'd trust Londo by hieraco2005-07-24 06:39:01
      Where am I from? Manchester (near enough). by Shadowclaw2005-07-24 06:52:22
      Well, I would trust Londo as far as I could throw by Martyny2005-07-24 09:18:40
      Ditto that by fitzso2005-07-24 13:33:38
        Firearms officers are specialist units in the UK. by wheresthefish2005-07-24 13:41:47
          And, given DR66's tales of US policeman by LionsPhil2005-07-24 13:47:23
            Absolutely. by fitzso2005-07-24 13:58:08
            *Ahem* Harry Stanley. by McNutcase2005-07-24 14:10:19
              That given, by LionsPhil2005-07-24 14:26:22
                Of course not. by McNutcase2005-07-24 22:28:51
            Definitely. Here in the great lands of Austria by yazdi2005-07-24 15:55:51
  Suicide by cop by TheGM2005-07-24 05:13:40
    Apparently they were plainclothes (n/t) by watsondog2005-07-24 07:18:19
  Your second point is the one that's least well by Mad_Peter2005-07-24 07:56:16
    Okay, I've found a few articles with more detailed by Mad_Peter2005-07-24 08:31:41
      Well by fitzso2005-07-24 15:38:39
        There was a comment below.. by krikkert2005-07-24 15:40:11
          I believe by wheresthefish2005-07-24 15:43:32
            Over here, it would be.. by krikkert2005-07-24 17:52:31
              However you say it by fitzso2005-07-24 18:23:44
          That's my thinking. That's what I want clarified. (n/t) by Mad_Peter2005-07-24 17:50:14

 

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