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<Deleted> | <Deleted> | 2005-05-17 19:59:21 |
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At least there | by tigermouse | 2005-05-17 06:06:27 |
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And what stops you from doing that here? | by Kickstart | 2005-05-17 06:41:51 |
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Naruki can't post here | by tigermouse | 2005-05-17 06:49:28 |
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And attacking us there doesn't? | by Kickstart | 2005-05-17 07:00:21 |
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No, it doesn't | by tigermouse | 2005-05-17 07:08:26 |
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Get your terminology straight | by Kickstart | 2005-05-17 07:13:35 |
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A Lot of UFies have found that journal | by BloodyViking | 2005-05-17 07:23:52 |
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If they know it exists. (n/t) | by Kickstart | 2005-05-17 07:29:24 |
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But dragging dramah from other communities | by plblark | 2005-05-17 07:33:20 |
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So I'm a famous public servant now? | by Kickstart | 2005-05-17 07:37:53 |
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um, you vote in the USA? | by plblark | 2005-05-17 07:50:30 |
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I'm late for work, but... | by Kickstart | 2005-05-17 08:00:22 |
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when voives of dissent go silent | by plblark | 2005-05-17 08:06:05 |
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voices of dissent | by Kickstart | 2005-05-17 08:28:00 |
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No, they are unheard | by plblark | 2005-05-17 10:06:44 |
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My take on this | by Illiad | 2005-05-17 17:42:25 |
| I agree with you; I wasn't talking about Naruki |
by plblark |
2005-05-17 18:57:05 |
The Naruki situation has been discussed to death and is unlikely to change. I realize that the original TLP here called hir out by name but by leaving out names to protect the innocent I may have left the impression that Naruki was the silent voice. It's hard to imagine Naruki keeping silent on any issue and simply going away. It's not hard to accept that when s/he was asked to leave and disabled hir feelings may have been rumpled.
There's a reason I phrased it as voices going silent instead of being silenced. I don't think that the moderations in general have stifled much conversation but I feel that general attitudes and the lack of a few key moderations may have created an atmosphere of "it's just not worth the effort" for some. Which makes me sad.
Personally, It's SO worth it to interact here. The people are generally top rate, the rules keep it an all too rare smut free zone and there's a funny cartoon (and an interesting cartoonist).
Ebb and flow and turnover are expected but it's like losing your college classmates on the rollover of a new semester. Never fun even though it may have been predictable. The hard part is that there is a common theme to the silent voices reasoning and it's not one that will be dealt with. Heck, I'm not sure it can be dealt with because it's as nebulous as some of the undocumented rules.
Simply put, and not as a personal attack (though I fear it will be hard for Greg not to take it that way), Kickstart has gotten too serious and too hardline / reactionary in his posts and his moderations. Some of his postings and his moderations feel too closely related, and there's a definite feel of "us" vs. "them" in his moderation. I keep reading his posts in his official role and hearing a grizzled police officer who has lost faith in and touch with the community at large.
And that's a hard thing to pin down or correct. It's a perception but I don't think I hold it alone. I'm also sure I'm not alone in thinking Kickstart tries hard and is quite interesting. Sometimes I cheer when he puts the boot down on a grevious offender. But it's like cheering for the cops when they kick in a door and bust the druggie down the street and then realizing that with a misreading of address it could be YOU on the other end next time. |
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