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US Federal ID card bill passed. by wheresthefish2006-11-19 12:55:59
  good this is one thing i support. by joecrouse2005-05-11 05:21:05
    I don't think it's nearly that simple. by Ravenlock2005-05-11 06:03:31
      Wait a second by frizzgrig 2005-05-11 07:08:26
A "massive loss in privacy"? Where have you been? You already have to have a social security number. So they don't attach something to make sure I'm the person that card with that number was issued to. My driver's license in Ohio used to have the SSN on it. You did not used to be able to NOT have it printed on it (now you have to request to have it printed on it unless it is a CDL). When I moved to Virginia, I noticed that my SSN was not on the license, but another state ID number is, and my SSN was required on the application for the license. Both states' licenses are machine readable (Ohio was a mag stripe (and a barcode IIRC), Virginia is barcode and scatter code - my collegue's Maryland license has mag stripe and barcode).

Every credit card application has that SSN attached to it (I have NEVER heard of someone being approved for credit without providing their SSN). Your listing with the landline phone company has your name, address, and phone number (and their system has your SSN too). Bank accounts require SSNs to open already (to report interest earned and verify your "character" - they run a check though the industry's systems to see if you have a history of bad accounts).

Then there are the stores with the "customer loyalty card" that reduces the amount they overcharge you for your food. They can tell who bought what, when the bought it, and other fun stuff like that.

How about those new digital cable services. That nice box that brings those pretty pictures to your TV is TWO WAY. The cable company knows what you watched, when you watched it, when you changed channels, when you turned it off. Satellite systems with that phone line return - ditto.

People need to GET OVER IT. This card will not cause a "massive loss in privacy." It will make catching criminals with outstanding warrants a bit easier as all the ID information will be standardized and (potentially) on one system. I should make starting a new job easier as it verifies my legal status (instead of the 3 to 5 items now required), and it will make carding people for movies, alcohol and cigs that much quicker since the DOB will be in a uniform spot.

For what it is worth, national standards for state ID cards are long overdue. I don't feel warm and fuzzy about Homeland Sevurity running the program, but then again, Social Security hasn't proved to be all that capable either.

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        National standards, OK. by Esteis2005-05-11 07:13:51
          I don't agree with compulsory carring, but by frizzgrig2005-05-11 07:26:35
        Privacy from government and privacy from industry by Ravenlock2005-05-11 07:16:02
          We have children who hack into the by frizzgrig2005-05-11 07:22:26
            I can't necessarily say that isn't true. by Ravenlock2005-05-11 07:29:24
            Children who hack into the system do by voxwoman2005-05-11 08:09:08
              You kind of missed my point, or ignored it by frizzgrig2005-05-11 10:59:14
          They already have access to that information via by DesertRat662005-05-11 07:46:40
            Doesn't mean you should just roll over. by McNutcase2005-05-11 07:55:40
              Exactly. If it's just an SQL-statement away by Tomo2005-05-11 07:59:12
                Wait a minute by DesertRat662005-05-11 08:07:25
                  I think I'm going to apply for a governmental by voxwoman2005-05-11 08:10:46
                    It gets old. by esbita2005-05-11 09:31:34
                      I've always found it just to be blah (n/t) by frizzgrig2005-05-11 10:51:53
                  "Hey, this name popped up" - style queries. by Tomo2005-05-11 08:11:34
                    do I need to post that ACLU video link? by voxwoman2005-05-11 08:14:46
                      Please do - not seen that one! (n/t) by Tomo2005-05-11 08:16:43
                        sheesh by voxwoman2006-11-19 12:55:59
                          I'm sorry, my Google-fu is weak today. (n/t) by Tomo2005-05-11 08:42:59
                            mine wasn't much better - by voxwoman2005-05-11 08:49:52
              Didn't say you should by DesertRat662005-05-11 08:00:25
                I agree with both of you. by Ravenlock2005-05-11 08:07:26
                  Oh, I emailed you, too, btw. by Ravenlock2005-05-11 08:08:24
                    Nothing showed up (n/t) by DesertRat662005-05-11 09:11:02
                      Hrm. At the GMail one? by Ravenlock2005-05-11 10:30:54
                        Re-sent. (n/t) by Ravenlock2005-05-11 10:37:49
                          Still nada by DesertRat662005-05-11 11:54:17
                            Nope. by Ravenlock2005-05-11 13:11:45
                              Okay, tried again. :) (n/t) by Ravenlock2005-05-11 13:14:08
        "Criminals" like my husband who missed 2 weeks by voxwoman2005-05-11 08:04:12
          Well considering the new bankruptcy laws by MatthewDBA2005-05-11 08:06:57
          Missing two weeks of child support paymentq by joecrouse2005-05-11 10:24:52
          A warrant is a warrant by frizzgrig2005-05-11 10:42:08
        You have some factual errors. by AndyA2005-05-11 09:22:55
          You have a choice by frizzgrig2005-05-11 10:05:12
            You can get utilities without an SSN. by AndyA2005-05-11 10:24:57
              no it aint. by joecrouse2005-05-11 10:40:27
              They may not require it by frizzgrig2005-05-11 10:53:53
                Odd. Was never a problem for me. by AndyA2005-05-11 15:42:42
          Didnt Ludwig Myer say that the more by joecrouse2005-05-11 10:26:44

 

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