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A Canadian Pastor arrested for reading the bible? by glitch2004-12-14 07:45:08
  IANAL, but... by gaygeek2004-12-14 07:55:32
    Under Hate Crimes Legislation in Canada... by DShade2006-11-19 12:55:59
      And that makes sense, by Dazed2004-12-14 09:23:53
        Wow. I'm reading this... by glitch2006-11-19 12:55:59
          Answers by jugulum2004-12-14 13:30:27
            Well... by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:34:04
              Specifically for homosexuality, I presume? by jugulum2004-12-14 14:20:34
                Your right by MikeCDN2004-12-14 14:30:58
                  Wow. by jugulum2004-12-14 15:53:50
                    Becuase I'm not Christian by MikeCDN2004-12-14 15:56:54
                      OK, I'll expand my point. by jugulum2004-12-14 16:34:55
                        Says your demonitation by MikeCDN2004-12-14 16:57:50
                          I don't have a denomination. by jugulum2004-12-14 17:39:53
                            I'm not arguing religion by MikeCDN2004-12-14 18:29:20
                              My belief is of no importance. None whatsoever. by jugulum2006-11-19 12:55:59
                                um wtf? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 23:15:36
                                Thank you! by jugulum 2006-11-19 12:55:59
You're starting to actually explain what you mean.

First I'll point out that you've dropped your original point about what's right and wrong changing; you've effectively conceded the point. If you didn't mean to, please, pick it up again. Or just say, "I don't concede that point, but I don't want to argue it anymore."

Now for your accusation of close-mindedness. I'll just quote myself to show how ludicrously unjust that is.
MikeCDN:
Your being compleatly closed minded and saying "Its not how I see it so its wrong" rather then "I don't take it that way, but I can see ho some would".
From the post to which you were responding: "As I understand the interpretation you're presenting--the interpretation your church taught--it flies in the face of those facts. If I'm understanding it wrong, or am mistaken about those facts, you're welcome to show me." [Note: You're starting to correct my apparent misunderstanding, so good.]

From my post before that: "I told you why I don't think yours [Note: I know it's your church's, not yours.] makes any sense...If you show me how it's logically consistent and merited by the text, I'll at least grant that it's ambiguous...Ambiguity can exist. But this doesn't seem to be a terribly complex subject."

To reiterate: I'm well aware that ambiguity can exist, and that I can be wrong. I frequently acknowledge both to friends with whom I disagree on some biblical subject.

Some interpretations really are stupid. Illustration: A pastor friend of mine was once called to my city jail to talk to a guy in the drunk tank. The guy tried to justify his lifestyle, and pointed to Luke 12:19: "Eat, drink, and be merry." He completely ignored the next verse, in which God says, "You fool! This very night your life will be demanded from you." No ambiguity there; his interpretation was worthless.

The interpretation of "don't judge" you seem (or seemed) to be presenting approaches that level of tunnel-vision proof-texting. A "mind your own business, never criticize, never point out someone's sin" interpretation does (as far as I can see) contradict the rest of the Bible; I explained why here. At the moment, I see no defense for that apparent contradiction--you haven't even tried to address that point--so I give the interpretation no respect. There might be such a defense; someone shows me one that rises to at least a basic level of logic, I'm perfectly willing to give at least a basic level of respect.

When did i ever say "Keep Silent about sin"? I belive I was saying, don't judge others, don't condem others, don't persecute others.
You seemed to be saying "keep silent" here ("Ignore your neighbours sin"), so I responded with, "If I understand you correctly, it's wrong to point out in any way someone else' sin...So...Why aren't you ignoring the sin of the people you think are judging others?" You confirmed that you think "don't judge" means "keep silent" when you said, "yes its hypocritical of me, to judge people of being hypocritical by judging people... just the way it is though."

If that's not what your church teaches, correct me; we may well agree. See, when you accuse Christians of hypocrisy, I don't think you're necessarily judging. That sort of rebuke is applauded in the Bible; see 2 Tim. 3:16 and Matthew 18:15 for examples.

None of this applies to the original subject of what is right or wrong; now we're only talking about the proper response to another person's sin. On that, I seem to agree with what Ravenlock said.

Incidentally, if you'd like to continue this in email, I have a gmail account with the username "jugulum".
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