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Death Penalty by BuggedEyes2006-11-19 12:55:59
  The death penalty is indefensible. by mmell 2004-12-14 08:00:26
IMHO, it amounts to state-sponsored murder.

Never mind the number of innocent men (fifty-three during the twentieth century, I think?) whose innocence was established post mortem, even where guilt is absolutely certain this still amounts to murder.

The intentional taking of a human life by the judgement of humans is morally reprehensible. Even in extreme cases (such as Nazi war criminals), there can be no justification for the taking of human life. The authority of the state is not sufficient justification, else the Nazis wouldn't be war criminals as they had the sanction of a sovereign state.

Unfortunately, we have yet to grow beyond the need for retribution.

[ Reply ]
    *sigh* How about practicality? by Voltigeur2004-12-14 08:10:37
      Fifty-three innocents murdered . . . by mmell2004-12-14 08:14:31
        IMHO, no. by krikkert2004-12-14 08:35:05
        A lot more than fifty-three by HadEnuf2004-12-14 10:02:12
          I didn't make myself clear . . . by mmell2004-12-14 10:10:03
            You made yourself clear enough by HadEnuf2004-12-14 11:15:02
              Then I've failed to make my point. by mmell2004-12-14 11:45:37
      Unfortunately not 100% of those executed by version0.12004-12-14 08:15:09
        I can't speak for the states but.. by Voltigeur2004-12-14 08:24:47
          War has always been considered a special case. by mmell2004-12-14 08:32:48
          Er, what does Iraq have to do with this discussion by version0.12004-12-14 08:32:49
      Another reason as well: by phezult2004-12-14 08:20:02
        Fallacy detected. by mmell2004-12-14 08:28:03
          I loved that too by BuggedEyes2004-12-14 08:38:10
          The intent most certainly plays into it. by nin_man2004-12-14 08:42:28
            But I'm still likely to kill again . . . by mmell2004-12-14 08:48:08
          I agree that capital punishment is not a deterrent by HeyRef2004-12-14 08:47:44
            I take your point. by mmell2004-12-14 08:52:34
              accidental death != murder by HeyRef2004-12-14 09:28:02
                Ahhh . . . shades of gray. by mmell2004-12-14 09:55:21
                  No. People are driven by emotion entirely too by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 10:05:06
                    Danny Lee Young drove his car into a crowd... by mmell2004-12-14 10:12:44
                  Does not matter if we are wise enough by Ston2004-12-14 10:06:31
                    s/punish/not punish/ (n/t) by Ston2004-12-14 10:07:10
                    So that makes us different from the murderer . . . by mmell2004-12-14 10:13:45
                      We recognize that the by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 10:37:34
                        Yes, but how is that value greater than that . . . by mmell2004-12-14 11:47:42
                          The murderer has declared that his life by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 12:14:37
                            Ergo, two wrongs make a right, yes? (n/t) by mmell2004-12-14 13:20:45
                            So, one gang banger shooting another gang banger by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 15:29:06
                              Yes, if he did not need to die. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 15:45:09
                              no In that instance I hope for the best by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:38:37
                            Only if your believe by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 15:35:01
                              If the ultimate crime is killing someone... by MikeCDN2004-12-14 15:37:07
                                Yes, but no. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 15:42:49
                                but what if someone is executed by mistake? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 15:53:22
                                Mistake != unjustified. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 16:09:28
                                So if... by MikeCDN2004-12-14 16:13:18
                                Not justified, because by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 16:17:04
                                The state is made up of people by MikeCDN2004-12-14 16:29:34
                                And... by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 17:01:00
                                Saying that they are different by MikeCDN2004-12-14 17:06:39
                                They are different. by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 18:28:52
                                but what if someone is executed by mistake? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 15:54:12
                                No (n/t) by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:39:58
                          easy question by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:36:42
                      That question by Ston2004-12-14 16:09:45
                In some cultures, accidental killing *does* equal by HadEnuf2004-12-14 10:24:11
          the car accident question by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:28:35
        Hmm. I am not sure that capital punishment.. by Voltigeur2004-12-14 08:30:14
          Deterrence is hard to pin down by jdelphiki2004-12-14 09:14:52
          For capital punishment to be a by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 10:41:07
        Another fallacy by version0.12004-12-14 08:37:46
          I did say I haven't been keeping up, plus by phezult2004-12-14 09:09:33
            How can you claim... by Illiad2004-12-14 09:18:46
            I sympathize by version0.12004-12-14 10:02:21
        I tend to... by jdelphiki2004-12-14 08:57:46
          Playing a bit of devil's advicate here by ManiacJoe2004-12-14 10:49:10
            Not necessarily, because by jdelphiki2004-12-14 11:12:13
              Q: What's the difference... by Illiad2004-12-14 12:15:15
                By my vague understanding of the law... by jdelphiki2004-12-14 12:45:29
              why distinguish? by joecrouse2004-12-14 19:46:58
    There are an awful lot of us humans. by IronPIP2004-12-14 12:31:39
      "And will you spare them for the sake of one?" (n/t) by mmell2004-12-14 13:16:09
      "Human society" or your society? by Illiad2004-12-14 13:17:34
        You still put people away for life. by IronPIP2004-12-14 13:38:01
          The prisoner sentenced to life in prison... by mmell2004-12-14 13:46:00
          hahahaha, how far is your head up your butt? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:46:03
            Keep it cool, dude. by mmell2004-12-14 13:47:34
            Easy, Mike. by Illiad2004-12-14 13:50:13
              apologies (n/t) by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:51:15
            How did we get to the point of having 9x the pop? by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:00:31
              Are we then unable to improve ourselves? by mmell2004-12-14 14:03:49
              uh... by MikeCDN2004-12-14 14:08:24
                Our land's better. by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:32:15
                  uh by MikeCDN2004-12-14 14:37:03
                  No question... by Illiad2004-12-14 15:10:58
                    ...and several orders of magnitude richer in by NOLAWitch2004-12-14 15:36:36
          Of course we do. by Illiad2004-12-14 13:48:29
            s/therefore globally/therefore politically (n/t) by Illiad2004-12-14 13:48:52
      When your on death row by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:20:26
        Lucky (born out of wedlock)... by mmell2004-12-14 13:25:46
        The means are justified. They are not the ends. by IronPIP2004-12-14 13:48:20
          Or you could just make sure there are no mistakes by MikeCDN2004-12-14 13:50:27
            Two counterpoints by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:18:57
              Can't fix the system - don't bother trying. by mmell2004-12-14 14:22:07
                By all means, try to fix the system. by IronPIP2004-12-14 17:52:13
              Well by MikeCDN2004-12-14 14:34:30
                and continuing... by IronPIP2004-12-14 17:27:42
                  Then why do violent crimes still exist? by MikeCDN2004-12-14 18:24:47
                    Punishment is not the only factor... by IronPIP2004-12-14 20:32:50
              Clearly reduced to a matter of values. by Illiad2004-12-14 15:12:39
              Last sentence - last "death" -> "wrongful death" (n/t) by IronPIP2004-12-14 17:53:55
          How many (undesserved) deaths are acceptable? by mmell2004-12-14 13:51:42
            Many, but I can't provide a number or an equation. by IronPIP2004-12-14 14:26:04
              No, it isn't blatantly incorrect. by mmell2004-12-14 14:51:37
                Life, Death, and Mathematics by IronPIP2004-12-14 18:19:23
    Society has a responsibility... by tskelton2004-12-14 19:29:29

 

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